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Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

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6 hours ago, Willie said:

That’s among the list of possible descriptions, sure. It’s not the one I’d choose.

It's not easy finding a description that both factions would agree upon. 

3 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

Yeah it's incredible how TV desensitize you. We are seeing people dying and we call it a show, season finale, etc... WTH?

It is perverse indeed. My comment refers to Trump's background as an entertainer, and the escalating drama that he has built into every stage of the shitshow that is now reaching a final crescendo as we speak. 'Elect a clown, expect a circus'; no truer words have been spoken. But an addendum: some clowns kill.

6 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

By getting caught up in the story, aren’t we missing the deeper dynamics at work?   

This is the conversation we need to be having.

In other words, most regular people are facing the same problems, such as financial hopelessness, but the right has managed to obfuscate debates about supporting the less fortunate with its anti-socialist battle cries, instead channeling people's rage into the current cult-of-personality extremist movement. (And the usual comment about social media algorithms heavily promoting right-wing extremism, despite ad hoc censorship, applies.)

When people are too stupid and gullible to vote in favour of their own interests, do they deserve what they get?

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57 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I actually was just thinking of a crazy horrifying possibility which is that there may be a possibility that Trump may have either bought the loyalty of many of the soldiers that have been waiting at the Capitol or persuaded them to do his bidding no matter what because of how pervasive his toxic devilish rhetoric has been throughout the entire country. I mean what if there are actually a large amount of US military soldiers at the Capitol right now who are actually secret Trump loyalists and are there waiting until the Inauguration Day to immediately turn on Biden, Harris, their secret service bodyguards, etc.? I am not trying to troll or annoy anyone on here. I pray that I am wrong and that I am sounding very paranoid or that I am just worrying way too much. Maybe I've watched too many movies and shows like Game of Thrones where they have depicted such horrific scenarios like the kind that I am talking about. Does this all sound too idiotic or too insane?

Looks like some left wing conspiracy theory. I don't think it will happen, Trump is done.

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I hereby claim Trump to be cringe 

 

 

ps: it’s a medical diagnosis 


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The most prominent factor of the event is the conspiracy theory QAnon. It's unbelievable how wide-spread this craze is.  It is a possibility that for a long time Trump had no interest in this ideology. But when losing the election became a possibility in his head he decided to jump on the QAnon train - having no better idea, in deep desperation and fully taking advantage of. 

What is happening these days is so much bigger than Trump. Trump is just a fraction of it. It's about humanity's journey through globalization, the widespread of free speech, and the loss of trust in authority.  It has also a lot to do with the new ways of human communication (social media ) during the isolation of a global pandemic. It's really big. Toxic ideologies bloom everywhere around the world these days. Just look at Europe. 

We humans have a lot to figure out in the next couple of years. :)

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3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

Wow.  Those police officers did nothing.  It is completely fair to say BLM would have been treated worse.  There is an obvious double standard with some police even though most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers.  

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5 minutes ago, trenton said:

Wow.  Those police officers did nothing.  It is completely fair to say BLM would have been treated worse.  There is an obvious double standard with some police even though most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers.  

That officer was hopelessly outnumbered. So if he had done something they would've immediately ripped him to pieces.

Or he could've shot them but that would've been bad.

And also you should watch the full version of that video to get a better picture over the situation.

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27 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

That officer was hopelessly outnumbered. So if he had done something they would've immediately ripped him to pieces.

Or he could've shot them but that would've been bad.

And also you should watch the full version of that video to get a better picture over the situation.

That's less on the individual officers, who were going to have difficulties doing thier job under those circumstances, and more on institutional biases within the Capitol Hill Police for not taking the threat of MAGA violence seriously, and negligently failing to take steps to prepare for an obvious threat.

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Thought is mostly unconscious.
Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical." - George Lakoff

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53 minutes ago, trenton said:

Wow.  Those police officers did nothing.  It is completely fair to say BLM would have been treated worse.  There is an obvious double standard with some police even though most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers.  

Be careful with your generalizations. The police did not do nothing. That video shows one cop -- who seems to have been MAGA sympathetic. This does not mean all, or even most, of the police were. Most police did not do that, they fought off MAGA while they could.

What you're doing with police here is the same as if you saw one black guy in the Capitol and then concluded: "All black guys are traitors." No. Just that one guy is.


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32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Be careful with your generalizations. The police did not do nothing. That video shows one cop -- who seems to have been MAGA sympathetic. This does not mean all, or even most, of the police were. Most police did not do that, they fought off MAGA while they could.

What you're doing with police here is the same as if you saw one black guy in the Capitol and then concluded: "All black guys are traitors." No. Just that one guy is.

From 6:17.

He told them to leave several times.

I'm not sure he was a MAGA sympathetic.

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While Institutional failings here can and should be criticized and investigated, let's also give due credit to the professionalism and integrity of individual Officers like Eugene Goodman, who kept things from potentially becoming much worse under incredibly difficult circumstances. Someone well deserving of the Congressional Honors he received.

Goes to show that cops, just like anyone else, aren't one monolithic group, and for every Cop who sympathizes with White Supremacists, you'll also have people like this, and many more in between.
 

 

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5 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

looks like something out of a comedy movie 

these clowns could barely pull off an insurrection before acting like dumb tourists looking for a place to take some photos. 

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@Leo Gura I mentioned that most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers and that the double standard is with some police.  I'm aware of the poor framing in BLM saying "all cops are racist" which is a racist way of thinking.

What I am trying to say is that in the BLM protests the police arrested and killed for less.  One counter argument is that these protesters were not actually treated worse because there were many protests across the nation, so it is likely that there would be more violence.

It is possible that my community is framing the issue in completely the wrong way again.  Do you think it is fair to say that BLM would have been treated worse for doing the same thing as the maga rioters?  At the very least, maybe fewer officers would have been sympathetic.

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2 minutes ago, trenton said:

At the very least, maybe fewer officers would have been sympathetic.

By the time it loses nuance in the hands of rioters, BLM is an anti-police, or even an anti-society movement (with nuance, it is a police accountability movement). Republicans claim to support law and order, even if this coup is not exactly the finest example of that. But the respective backgrounds make a difference. Then there's the ease with which this could turn into a civil war.

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7 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

That guy actually appears pretty cool though...

What a chad


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6 hours ago, trenton said:

@Leo Gura I mentioned that most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers and that the double standard is with some police.  I'm aware of the poor framing in BLM saying "all cops are racist" which is a racist way of thinking.

What I am trying to say is that in the BLM protests the police arrested and killed for less.  One counter argument is that these protesters were not actually treated worse because there were many protests across the nation, so it is likely that there would be more violence.

It is possible that my community is framing the issue in completely the wrong way again.  Do you think it is fair to say that BLM would have been treated worse for doing the same thing as the maga rioters?  At the very least, maybe fewer officers would have been sympathetic.

A big problem with social media is that people only post violent protests or the ones where police are using a lot of force. Then people come to believe that all over the country, the police are consistently extremely violent towards the BLM protestors (and that the protests are overwhelmingly violent riots). That being said, I've been reading more about it while typing this post (from this website), and it does seem that BLM was met with force more often than other, prior protests. There's too much data to summarize in a post, but it does at least seem that BLM was treated worse than previous protestors. Although, It seems very weird to compare police response towards BLM across the country, which involved Trump's federal agents and the constant pushing of the 'BLM is insanely violent' message, to a single riot at the Capitol, where the police are far outnumbered and in a completely different environment. For one, we have wayyy more data and a situation with changing circumstances and surrounding rhetoric that takes place over months in the former case, whereas we have only a single riot for the latter case.

I think one thing which is fair to say is: if it were BLM doing this, the national guard would have been called much earlier and most likely preemptively (as it had been in the past) because Trump hates them, but I'm not sure the Capitol police were all that sympathetic towards the MAGA rioters. The rioters formed a MASSIVE crowd, completely surrounding every inch of the building and totally outnumbering the police officers. There are videos such as this one where officers are dragged away from other Capitol police members and beaten in front of them. It seems more likely that they were simply doing the best they could.

So BLM probably would have been 'treated worse' for doing the same thing, but only because there would have been a much larger military/police presence, which would have had the manpower necessary to hold them back. Even then, I wouldn't take 'treated worse' to mean a mass execution or mass beatings of BLM protestors, just to mean that the police/national guard would have stopped them from entering the capitol, perhaps by deploying more teargas or by other means. That is to say, they would have been treated pretty much the same as the people in this riot would have been, if there were more police presence.

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I just watched some Conspiracy theory a couple of days ago about the CABAL, Adenochrome, pedophiles, The Elites etc., What do you guys think about this? Is this what Leo refers to as Ideologies?

Like this one dude who confess about celebs that are pedophiles, a week later shot dead.

I always take information with a grain of salt, so yeah, seeing both siders of the coin.

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