Leo, can you elaborate on the idea that I “imagine” that I had a past?

[Artsu]

Uh. Yeah the past is real. It's in the past. We can access it through memory.

I mean yeah I've been through the whole "only now is real" thing during psychosis, but that's the thing that is imaginary.

The present is always where we are, sure, but i see no utility in denying the existence of the past. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Artsu

[Someone here]

@ivankiss consider a person who is illiterate and doesn't know any human language or any words... And he had a mystical experience to the thing that you call "love".. Do you think he is gonna call that "love"?   Ofcourse not.. He doesn't even fucking know the language.    And yet that doesn't  make his experience less valuable just because he couldn't translate it into a limited human lovey dovey word.. In fact that would make it even more sincere and honest if he could just shut the hell up and experience the indescribable. 

[wwhy]

What is the purpose of thinking that everything is nothing and nothing exists?

No matter how hard you think nothing exists, how many psychedelic experiences you have, in the end, you are still a human being, reading a screen, and thinking. You might be the thought of a higher being, you might even be the higher being itself, but right now, you are a human being. When your dreaming, an imagination, non-existant... whatever. Those are all just words. So, as a "human being", what is the practical value of thinking nothing exists?

[cetus]

Leo, can you elaborate on the idea that I “imagine” that I had a past?

 What makes you so sure your not imagining a now that is imagining a past?

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Someone here Now you're just being ridiculous ? 'Love is just a word' - he say.

What else are you going to say? Is there no light in enlightenment, either? Is 'Light' just a word, too? 

C'mon dude. Just... C'mon.

It is a word tho. You are defending a ghost in your mind.. You lose.. I win ?

[wwhy]

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

Sounds, thoughts, visuals , feelings are identical as nothing. You just name them and label them thats how your so called life is existed. They created by nothingness and within nothingness.

Isn't nothing, according to your thoughts just another label? Nothing = Universe

[cnfvm]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Can you elaborate?  No one ever said science or logic isn't valuable relatively speaking but it won't get you to Absolute Truth.

I think some people implies "nologic" while using logic , we were talking about "past" , when Leo and some other people say "Past never happened", "you were never a child" "you never had surgery" etc it clearly sounds something very weird, past was real to us in the past. therefor our memories are bridges to past. Therefor importance of logic as a way of connecting dots to build memories.  

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

I think some people implies "nologic" while using logic , we were talking about "past" , when Leo and some other people say "Past never happened", "you were never a child" "you never had surgery" etc it clearly sounds something very weird, past was real to us in the past. therefor our memories are bridges to past. Therefor importance of logic as a way of connecting dots to build memories.  

They're just trying to point to Absolute Truth, not relative truths.

[cnfvm]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

They're just trying to point to Absolute Truth.

you can't get to Absolute, you can't find the Absolute, you can't point to Absolute,  Whatever anyone experiences, it is not even close to Absolute. because it is absolute.

 

[wwhy]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What would you be if you had zero memory?

I once had zero memory, in the womb, before I was born. If I lost my memory I'd be a human vegetable.

[James123]

4 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

Whatever anyone experiences, it is not even close to Absolute. because it is absolute

Yes. Because nothing is simultaneously infinite. Therefore nothing is absolute. Thats what enlightenment is. Infinite nothingness, thats why nothing is there. And everything is it.

Edited July 19, 2020 by James123

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, ivankiss said:

 That's very innocent and cute. But also incredibly foolish, ignorant and ridiculous

Yes but Ivan.. I'm love and my ignorance is love.. And you are love and you should love me for my ignorance and not just..... Oh wait even you calling me for my ignorance is love since love is everything...ok I get how this works.. Therefore I decide to call you full of shit and an echochamber of pink unicorns and butterflies but that's love since love is everything obviously.. Or you know what I choose to call it sweet potato since sweet potato is everything obviously.

Your game is so silly and easily spottedbtw.. I thought you was sincere at first but it's clear to me that you are just toying around with this love Tautology and therefore it's a waste of my time.

 

[wwhy]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Your game is so silly and easily spottedbtw.. I thought you was sincere at first but it's clear to me that you are just toying around with this love Tautology and therefore it's a waste of my time.

Why are they playing the game, that's my question. Every human being dream has a motive, and I just cannot see the practical benefit, of walking around thinking that nothing exists, its all a dream, nothing matters. Whats the value of thinking this way, because I know you obviously do not live this way.

[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, wwhy said:

What is the purpose of thinking that everything is nothing and nothing exists?

No matter how hard you think nothing exists, how many psychedelic experiences you have, in the end, you are still a human being, reading a screen, and thinking. 

We are talking about Absolute Truth and one can become directly conscious of it.  However that said - this requires spiritual work to discover.  Concept will not get you there.  This place is just a lounge as Leo very accurately once stated.   It is for us who are interested in metaphysics and this work.  You won't find these discussions in universities.  So its a place to reflect.   And if one has no interest in enlightenment that's perfectly fine too.   Relatively speaking there is no purpose.  But i can tell you that for me it made life a whole lot better.   Listen to the video Leo just released last night!

 

[VeganAwake]

4 minutes ago, wwhy said:

Why are they playing the game, that's my question. Every human being dream has a motive, and I just cannot see the practical benefit, of walking around thinking that nothing exists, its all a dream, nothing matters. Whats the value of thinking this way, because I know you obviously do not live this way.

There's no value in the sense that you're looking for it... something that will satisfy personal egoic agenda.

Awakening transcends the limited idea of value and valueless right and wrong good and bad this or that.

 

[cnfvm]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

Yes. Because nothing is simultaneously infinite. Therefore nothing is absolute. Thats what enlightenment is. Infinite nothingness, thats why nothing is there. And everything is it.

i don't get the "nothing is absolute" part brother. Are you saying nothing has power? What is power then? what has power, something has to have power. or power has to exist in the first place. which is god.

[James123]

4 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

i don't get the "nothing is absolute" part brother. Are you saying nothing has power? What is power then? what has power, something has to have power. or power has to exist in the first place. which is god.

God is nothing (formlessness) therefore any form. My body and your body is identical. Because we are nothing therefore identical and absolute.

[wwhy]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

We are talking about Absolute Truth and one can become directly conscious of it.  However that said - this requires spiritual work to discover.  Concept will not get you there.  This place is just a lounge as Leo very accurately once stated.   It is for us who are interested in metaphysics and this work.  You won't find these discussions in universities.  So its a place to reflect.   And if one has no interest in enlightenment that's perfectly fine too.   Relatively speaking there is no purpose.  But i can tell you that for me it made life a whole lot better.   Listen to the video Leo just released last night!

 

Yes, I am interested in metaphysics and spiritual work, which is why I am here, asking questions. I am a human being, made of body, heart, mind and spirit. I don't believe spiritual work works by ignoring the emotional, physical and mental aspects of our being. The whole "nothing exists" just seems like an escape hatch. If we are God, and here to have a human experience, why is it that when someone asks a practical, human question, some run away into the land of nothingness? How does that help have a human experience?

[wwhy]

31 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

There's no value in the sense that you're looking for it... something that will satisfy personal egoic agenda.

Awakening transcends the limited idea of value and valueless right and wrong good and bad this or that.

 

What is my egoic personal agenda?

That is in itself a right/wrong judgement on your part.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, wwhy said:

Yes, I am interested in metaphysics and spiritual work, which is why I am here, asking questions. I am a human being, made of body, heart, mind and spirit. I don't believe spiritual work works by ignoring the emotional, physical and mental aspects of our being. The whole "nothing exists" just seems like an escape hatch. If we are God, and here to have a human experience, why is it that when someone asks a practical, human question, some run away into the land of nothingness? How does that help have a human experience?

Don't confuse the substance or nature of reality with nihilism.   When we say the substance of reality is nothing that isn't the same as nothing matters.   Infinity/God/Being is infinitely intelligent and wishes to experience every possiblity so that it can know itself experientally.