How do we test Spiral Dynamics?

[Leo Gura]

Once you get into mystical consciousness the whole Spiral Dynamics model collapses and breaks down.

Spiral Dynamics is not designed to deal with mystical consciousness.

You need to understand the severe limits of models like this.

[Nak Khid]

 

[Artsu]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Once you get into mystical consciousness the whole Spiral Dynamics model collapses and breaks down.

Spiral Dynamics is not designed to deal with mystical consciousness.

You need to understand the severe limits of models like this.

Can you explain more about this?

My understanding is that coral+ is mystical, but SD is perhaps a turquoise model so it can't say too much about higher stages, except to say that they exist or maybe follow a particular pattern.

I'm trying to determine what the stages are above turquoise, 8th circuit, and so on. I think the stages approach still makes sense, but i agree that as you go beyond turquoise you stop even wanting to look at SD stages. But then your consciousness settles back down and you can try to model what it is you were going through when your consciousness was elevated.

So, is mystical consciousness just not even related to SD etc,? What is it then?

[Leo Gura]

56 minutes ago, Artsu said:

I'm trying to determine what the stages are above turquoise, 8th circuit, and so on.

Stop doing that.

There are no stages at all. There never were.

Forget about coral and all that shit and go for Infinite Consciousness.

[Epikur]

I wonder how fascist shaolin tempels are

[Artsu]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop doing that.

There are no stages at all. There never were.

Forget about coral and all that shit and go for Infinite Consciousness.

Well, I'm going to keep doing it.

What is infinite consciousness?

[remember]

4 hours ago, Artsu said:

What is infinite consciousness?

the sea, the wind the sun a smile on someones face a bell in the wind. its all around you if you dare.

nothing is free, but still freedom is a choice.

[Artsu]

23 minutes ago, remember said:

the sea, the wind the sun a smile on someones face a bell in the wind. its all around you if you dare.

nothing is free, but still freedom is a choice.

That sounds like the level above coral.

When i am at that level i pay attention to those things. I can read it.

[Rilles]

3 minutes ago, Artsu said:

That sounds like the level above coral.

When i am at that level i pay attention to those things. I can read it.

or maybe just pretentiousness, how would you tell the difference  

[Artsu]

28 minutes ago, Rilles said:

or maybe just pretentiousness, how would you tell the difference  

Experience it for yourself, go to that level. You will see what i mean.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Artsu said:

Experience it for yourself, go to that level. You will see what i mean.

I think language breaks down at Turquoise, therefore everything from there on will just sounds silly to a mere mortal like myself. 

[Artsu]

2 minutes ago, Rilles said:

I think language breaks down at Turquoise, therefore everything from there on will just sounds silly to a mere mortal like myself. 

Language doesnt, but systems thinking like SD is no longer the focus.

Since i can't maintain post turquoise too easily, i still study the model.

[Hello from Russia]

There are other models that describe metaphysical insights/powers

Check the Meditation book on Leo's booklist and check the recommended reading section on that book to get an idea

Edited July 18, 2020 by Hello from Russia

[Gesundheit]

On 18/07/2020 at 0:38 AM, Leo Gura said:

Once you get into mystical consciousness the whole Spiral Dynamics model collapses and breaks down.

Spiral Dynamics is not designed to deal with mystical consciousness.

You need to understand the severe limits of models like this.

God speaks!