YouTube ban former Pickup artist Roosh V

[IJB063]

9 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

The tragicomal part is that it didn't enhance their survival. A lot of the alt wingers got deplatformed. 

You win some lose some

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, IJB063 said:

@Leo Gura

What are truth, being and love if not abstractions created to help fulfil our survival interests 

Truth/Being/Love is not an abstraction. And it has nothing to do with survival.

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

The tragicomical part is that it didn't enhance their survival. A lot of the alt wingers got deplatformed. 

That's exactly how devilry works. The devil always ends up getting hoisted by his own petard. Devilry always backfires and undermines survival when taken too far.

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Big time alt wingers such as Milo are set for life. They made enough profit from books and invitations. 

Milo has been totally disgraced. I doubt he's swimming in money.

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Small time alt wingers ruined their moderate minded fan base. Stained their name and became radicalized. It won't be easy to find a normal job after taken huge dumps on minorities and feminists. 

Well, tough titty. Bullies get their comeuppance. Karma.

This is a classic characteristic of selfish people. They flaunt their selfishness and act cocky, until one day someone bigger and stronger than them acts selfishly towards them, and then they cry at the taste of their own medicine.

When you act like an asshole inside any community, don't be surprised when one day the community excommunicates you. When that happens, of course your survival will be severely hampered -- because survival is a communal affair, yet you were being a selfish bastard, acting as though only your individual survival was at stake. NO! The entire community is at stake.

Roosh was acting like a dick and he got slapped for it.

[StarStruck]

@Leo Gura

I don't know too much about alt right but I know it is centred around white nationalism. If alt right got their way, their victims such as minorities and feminists would be excluded from the community, and the tragi-comical result is that it happened to the alt right itself.

In my opinion, just letting them be (instead of banning) would be a greater punishment, all of these channels like Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux and others were losing viewers, and they had to resort to more and more extreme things to hold onto a shrinking audience.

Now they got victimhood status, while before the ban they were just a slowly dying light. I have been following Stefan Molyneux to see how he would end up. This guy was becoming more and more desperate, at one point just breaking down and admitting he didn't know what to produce to keep an audience. It would have been interesting to see how he broke down further.

[Display_Name]

13 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Big time alt wingers such as Milo are set for life. They made enough profit from books and invitations. 

From wikipedia:

“In December 2018, The Guardian reported that documents assembled by his former Australian tour promoters, Australian Events Management, showed Yiannopoulos had accrued more than $2 million in unpaid debt. Yiannopoulos reportedly owed $1.6 million to his own company, $400,000 to the Mercer Family Foundation, $153,215 to his former lawyers, $76,574 to former collaborator and Breitbart writer Allum Bokhari, and $20,000 to the luxury brand Cartier.[93]“

So much for that.

[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, StarStruck said:

 

In my opinion, just letting them be (instead of banning) would be a greater punishment, all of these channels like Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux and others were losing viewers, and they had to resort to more and more extreme things to hold onto a shrinking audience.

Now they got victimhood status, while before the ban they were just a slowly dying light. I have been following Stefan Molyneux to see how he would end up. This guy was becoming more and more desperate, at one point just breaking down and admitting he didn't know what to produce to keep an audience. It would have been interesting to see how he broke down further.

Meh...

Banning people who violate ToS is proper.

The notion that banning them makes them stronger is just not borne out by the results.

Letting someone like Alex Jones remain active on a major platform is toxic and the right wing plays victim all the time anyway. There is no upeasing such people because they are rabid ideologues. Their minds are rotted and their egos gigantic.

All online platforms MUST be moderated or they turn into vile 4chan. This is a law of the internet.

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, tesla said:

That's a really dangerous thing to say.

No, your position is more dangerous. 4chan is dangerous. Incel forums are dangerous. Letting racists indoctrinate others into racism is dangerous.

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Censorship isn't a good thing.

Again, you just assume that. But actually regulation is a good thing.

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Even if you disagree with what the person is saying, where do you draw the line between what counts as legitimate content, and what isn't permitted?

That's why ToS exist.

YT has very clear ToS about hate speech:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939?hl=en

The lines are clearly laid out.

This is not about banning people who YT disagrees with. It's about banning bullies who try to exploit YT's platform in devilish ways.

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You're basically asking for this to be abused so authorities can push whatever agenda they like, which is exactly what's happening now.

No, that's your paranoid conspiratorial strawman. YT is simply regulating bullies and trolls.

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I'm not really a fan of Alex Jones either. But you also can't dismiss everything he says. Some of the things he talks about are real if you actually look at the evidence.

Yes I can dismiss everything he says because he's a mentally ill toxic narcissist who has a cancerous effect on society. I don't have to take a single thing he says seriously because he has proven himself to be a shameless grifter with zero intellectual integrity.

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Because you as the user should be able to choose what content you consume.

No you shouldn't. Users cannot be trusted not to watch ISIS recruitment videos and other such devilry.

The YT platform can be easily hijacked to start toxic cults which destabilize society. If YT doesn't regulate itself, Congress will be forced to step in an regulate it. So YT is forced to regulate itself.

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If you don't like something, ignore it. Yeah there's trash on the internet, but if you don't like it you can filter it out yourself.

That's not good enough. These devils are not merely playing word games. They seek to grab power and exploit society for their personal gain while corrupting the minds of millions. YT management understands this and is too responsible to let that happen on their watch.

You, on the other hand, do not understand this and are irresponsible. Which is why you aren't a manager of anything socially important.

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Censoring everything so no one can see it isn't the answer.

Nobody is censoring everything. Less than 1% of stuff gets regulated for violating ToS.

[Forestluv]

9 hours ago, tesla said:

That's a really dangerous thing to say. Censorship isn't a good thing. Even if you disagree with what the person is saying, where do you draw the line between what counts as legitimate content, and what isn't permitted?

Think about what a 100% censorship-free forum would look like. With zero regulation, you would allow people to coordinate and commit hideous crimes. 

Just because it can difficult to draw lines in grey areas, doesn’t mean that lines shouldn’t be drawn. . . .The answer to the question “Where do we draw the line?” is. . . somewhere. We draw the line somewhere. We have discussions about where to draw lines, rather than if lines should be drawn. 

If a parent allows their child to eat a candy bar, they don’t throw up their hands and say “Where do we draw the line?” and allow the child to inject black tar heroin. A line gets drawn somewhere. 

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

allow the child to inject black tar heroin.

But MA FREEEEEEEDOM!!!!

You fascist!

[Girzo]

1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

Think about what a 100% censorship-free forum would look like. With zero regulation, you would allow people to coordinate and commit hideous crimes. 

100% free forum cannot exist, because the real people would be outnumbered by spambots with 1:100000 ratio. 

[Leo Gura]

@tesla All of your logic could be used to argue against murder laws. And yet we still have murder laws. Get used to it.

[Extreme Z7]

4 hours ago, tesla said:

People will just move elsewhere and continue their shitty beliefs.

Somewhere their shitty beliefs would be more difficult to propagate to everyone else.

[Extreme Z7]

4 minutes ago, tesla said:

If you don't want people to believe dumb shit, then focus on solving the root cause of the problem, which is that they're unconscious. If you're a conscious, intelligent person, it's pretty easy to discern what's legit from what's not. People should be using their own intuition and reasoning to discern, you can't just have authorities do the thinking for you.

You realize you're saying this in the one and only Actualized.org Personal Development forum, right? Where the whole point is to find help to become conscious, intelligent people. Yet the rules here are pretty strict because otherwise it would make it more difficult to develop one's consciousness here if this place gets overrun by toxic, racist, homophobic, and other kinds of unconscious people.

You argue that authorities shouldn't think for you yet that's exactly how parenting, apprenticeship, and education works. It's not perfect but it's better than letting inexperienced children think for themselves. Forget leadership, you can't even raise a child.

[Extreme Z7]

2 hours ago, tesla said:

I don't have a problem with enforcing respectful communication. I don't have a problem with racist, abusive comments being deleted for instance.

But what I do have a problem with is Leo shutting down any form of intelligent discussion regarding conspiracies. I've noticed he has made dismissive comments regarding this in his videos, but has also locked threads in the forum too. Why is this out of bounds, but other controversial discussions aren't? If something can't be discussed, that's religious thinking.

Many popular conspiracy theories nowadays ARE racist or abusive but most frequently, toxic.

As far as I know, intelligent discussion on some conspiracy theories is still allowed here. Even then, it's a distraction.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, tesla said:

intelligent discussion regarding conspiracies

Hehehe.... ain't nothing intelligent about it.

[Leo Gura]

@tesla There is a higher game a stake of which you are not yet aware. My job is to guide you to towards that higher game. Yet you keep getting stuck in petty human bullshit.

Distraction is killing you.

[Roy]

Conspiracy theories can be largely dismissed because they have proven to be bullshit time and time again, and garner little meaningful public attention as a result. Let's consider for a moment that they WERE true just for the fun of it, what would people do then? Absolutely nothing, they'll just keep sitting around bitching.

They are driven by hate, fear, and paranoia. Negative things that you should avoid wasting your time around, there is nothing to be gained. That's why Leo is so dismissive of them, and you should be too. You need to shed that stuff or it will weigh you down in the pursuit of the larger picture of consciousness/happiness. There is not enough time in life for both.

LOL "when your rights have been taken away and you're in a totalitarian regime."

Is it not perfectly obvious that nobody is in control of anything? People are more free now on average than they have ever been in human history, of course there are bad spots and exceptions, but to be focused on those is to be lost in semantics.

 

[Roy]

On 7/18/2020 at 7:49 AM, tesla said:

God damn this thread is full of ignorance. I'm out, it's pointless debating if you won't even investigate this. If you guys want to shove your head in the sand, fine. But don't claim something is bullshit if you haven't even looked into it.

rofl @tesla

Alright cheetoh dust what have you got for us. Since you love being logical and scientific so much the burden of proof is on you, the person making the claim.

Show us conclusive proof of one popular known conspiracy theory being proven true to a reasonable degree. And I'll read it.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Roy