Policing Is Hard Work

[Epikur]

One thing to take into account USA might have a PTSD Syndrom after so many wars. So the patient might need alot of rest and no stress.

[Onemanwolfpac]

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Police officer shot during Las Vegas protest paralyzed

An officer who was shot in the head during a Las Vegas protest of the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis is paralyzed from the neck down, on a ventilator and unable to speak

 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/police-officer-shot-las-vegas-protest-paralyzed-71246536

Mainstream media rants on cnn about "peaceful protest." There's no amount of money worth that risk. I wish he shot first. I would have. 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Onemanwolfpac

[Danioover9000]

@Yog

2 hours ago, Yog said:

Some might find this a bit insightful.

The way your body does policing makes human policing look like angel work.
 

 

   Nice!

   Everyone here, regardless of what side you take, be careful of playing the 'centrist/middle ground' position. If you empathize with the police in this situation, or the drunk, resisting person, that's your moral/cognitive development and level of consciousness. Leo Gura is pointing to a new trend now, with newer traps to it, and that new trap is 'police bashing' which is another form of demonization. Same with George Floyd and that police officer. While what happened to him was 'awful', he has a criminal background of years of victimizing other members of his community, and he himself brought this upon himself. While the police officer applied excessive force, some percentage of the police have personality traits and degrees of psychopathy necessary for policing others. Otherwise, why would God be foolish to allow for such types of people in the first place? 

   There was a video where the Gracies were training some police officers Brazilian Jiujitsu and countering attempts of gun disarming. Maybe police officers need better martial arts training. I definitely agree there needs to be better training overall.

   So, before demonizing the police, remember where your level of security has come from, and appreciate why your immediate environment isn't turned into a hellhole instead. Don't overlook how you're benefiting from police work.

[Danioover9000]

@Onemanwolfpac

2 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

Mainstream media rants on cnn about "peaceful protest." There's no amount of money worth that risk. I wish he shot first. I would have. 

   There definitely are cases where it is clear to use force proportionate to the threat. That's terrible, to survive but be paralyzed from the neck down. We're definitely not appreciating what police officers go through on our behalf, the type of people they deal with.

[Onemanwolfpac]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Onemanwolfpac

   There definitely are cases where it is clear to use force proportionate to the threat. That's terrible, to survive but be paralyzed from the neck down. We're definitely not appreciating what police officers go through on our behalf, the type of people they deal with.

My point is that. You or i DON'T KNOW. But victim card. Cnn hit piece. More race baiting. 

Adrenaline dump. Fight or flight. Worse, you have a job to do, and you kill or be killed. In that scenario, he is alive. Paralyzed. I would have shot the scumbag. I feel zero sympathy for the wise guy who uses a stun gun on cops to only get himself killed. Red foreman saying dumb ass comes to mind. Unfortunate that it comes to do this but again, mainstream narrative is unarmed friendly black man gun down. 

There's a tik tok vid where cumo rants on cnn and in the backgrounds, Wendy's burns down. Peaceful protest as chaos ensues. 

Imho, its Democrats doing everything to win. If they lose, they will play the victim card 4more years and impeachment 3.0. Even if moderate, it is appalling seeing the level of the insanity and corruption. Its a smokescreen for actual news. What of the Clinton's emails? What of Epstein being Iced? Who was at the island and what dirt is on people? 

WHO lied. Its all one big circle jerk. I think we all need to go Meditate now. Brb

[Danioover9000]

@Onemanwolfpac

8 minutes ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

My point is that. You or i DON'T KNOW. But victim card. Cnn hit piece. More race baiting. 

Adrenaline dump. Fight or flight. Worse, you have a job to do, and you kill or be killed. In that scenario, he is alive. Paralyzed. I would have shot the scumbag. I feel zero sympathy for the wise guy who uses a stun gun on cops to only get himself killed. Red foreman saying dumb ass comes to mind. Unfortunate that it comes to do this but again, mainstream narrative is unarmed friendly black man gun down. 

There's a tik tok vid where cumo rants on cnn and in the backgrounds, Wendy's burns down. Peaceful protest as chaos ensues. 

Imho, its Democrats doing everything to win. If they lose, they will play the victim card 4more years and impeachment 3.0. Even if moderate, it is appalling seeing the level of the insanity and corruption. Its a smokescreen for actual news. What of the Clinton's emails? What of Epstein being Iced? Who was at the island and what dirt is on people? 

WHO lied. Its all one big circle jerk. I think we all need to go Meditate now. Brb

   Yeah, crazy times we're living. Blame games, police brutality, race-baiting, political power struggles, cold warfares, and cover-ups of power grabs.

   We definitely need to meditate our thoughts on these issues away. Otherwise, we'd go insane, one way of the other.

[Onemanwolfpac]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Onemanwolfpac

   Yeah, crazy times we're living. Blame games, police brutality, race-baiting, political power struggles, cold warfares, and cover-ups of power grabs.

   We definitely need to meditate our thoughts on these issues away. Otherwise, we'd go insane, one way of the other.

I avoid mainstream media and even a lot of social media. I am reading Path to God by Ram and ACIM, Stillness Speaks by Eckhart. The chaos is uprooting. Abstaining from the media is freedom. 

I grew up in a predominantly Asian neighbourhood. It was all investment bankers, cpa accountants, doctors, and other professions. It was all high iq, stem degree, nuclear family, and traditional values. I lived in another area where it was thugs, drugs, shootings, and projects. Needless to say, Asian culture is doing it right. 

I saw both ends of the spectrum. I acknowledged it is easy to get sucked into the chaos or you rise above it. The democrats and more government intervention will not fix it. The solution is individual. The longer anybody adopts victim card, nothing will be done nor changed but politics will gladly champion change. And how's that working out? 

Its a beautiful Monday. I am going to walk outdoors and Meditate after i workout. Bless! ?

 

[AtheisticNonduality]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Lots of police-bashing these days. And I agree that reforms are necessary to expunge systemic racism.

But also consider why this issue is much more complicated than it seems. Try to appreciate the challenges of policing drunk, crazy, and criminal people.

This video shows the challenges: two cops armed with a taser are still not able to successfully arrest 1 guy.

In my mind, if you resist arrest, steal a cop's taser, run away, and then fire his taser at him. Yeah... you should expect to be shot.

If a drunk guy that was just passed out is able to steal your taser and outrun you, you are not fit to be a cop. Also, if somebody with a taser is dangerous enough for the police to kill him, a police tasing an innocent person is also justified to be shot in a similar situation.

[AtheisticNonduality]

4 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

Mainstream media rants on cnn about "peaceful protest." There's no amount of money worth that risk. I wish he shot first. I would have. 

We have no idea what happened there.  He may have been the provoker, as most of the riots have been justified self defense against pigs that don't like the first amendment.

[Forestluv]

5 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

Mainstream media rants on cnn about "peaceful protest." 

Be mindful of characterizing an entire group based on the action of an individual within that group. This is the same dynamic as “police bashing”. Just as it is not fair to label all cops as bad cops after the behavior of a bad cop - it is not fair to label all protestors as violent after the behavior of a violent protestor. 

At this point, I’m not seeing any information on wether this was an individual person, an angry mob or if the shooter was even a “protestor”. There have been some fringe anarchists and rioters that attend the protests that aren’t there to protest. 

If the shooter does turn out to be a protestor, it’s important to have self-accountability and for the protest community to condemn excessive violence and make a statement that the protests are not about violence. Just as it is important for the police community to condemn police brutality when it occurs.

Escalation of us vs. them violence dynamics will intensify violence. 

[Raze]

 

Good video on the problems with the demands to change and defund the police and how it could make the problem worse.

[Raze]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Lots of police-bashing these days. And I agree that reforms are necessary to expunge systemic racism.

But also consider why this issue is much more complicated than it seems. Try to appreciate the challenges of policing drunk, crazy, and criminal people.

This video shows the challenges: two cops armed with a taser are still not able to successfully arrest 1 guy.

In my mind, if you resist arrest, steal a cop's taser, run away, and then fire his taser at him. Yeah... you should expect to be shot.

btw after this the police officer did get fired after protesters burned down the wendy's.  Here is the full video:

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

The police seem professional and decent in the above video.

The guy seems to have really startled them because there was no sign he was going to resist arrest so hard at the last second. It's like the arresting cop gave him too much benefit of the doubt. He expected to handcuff him without any resistance.

The thing is, in a rapidly escalating situation like that, as the cop you don't know if the guy not only stole a taser but maybe a gun from the other cop. From the comfort of watching the video at home it's clear he only stole the taser, but he could have stolen a gun. That's not easy know within a few split seconds while you're tumbling on the ground. In these kinds of situations cops are often dealing with a lot of unknowns.

[Akemrelax]

@Leo Gura Did he really need to shoot him? The black man was clearly trying to get away, not trying to harm the officers. He didn’t even go towards his car. They had no reason to believe he was going to kill someone. They could have tried instead to call backup and look for him later.

I’m not blaming the cop. This incident highlights a systemic issue in the US police. The officers are too eager to pull their triggers on petty criminals.

It wouldn’t have mattered that much if he ran of with a tazer or even a gun. So many American already own guns. 

[Forestluv]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

btw after this the police officer did get fired after protesters burned down the wendy's.  Here is the full video:

 

 

That is a professional, respectful DUI sobriety test and arrest. If I was pulled over for a DUI, that’s how I would expect to be treated fairly.

By fighting, he escalates the situation to a new level. Yet, the police officers still tried to restrain him professionally without intent to harm him. Once he grabs the tazer, runs away and uses it against the police - he escalates it to an even higher level. And the cops did not do any of the escalating. 

In hindsight, the only thing that could have been better was to shoot him once and injure him. Yet the cops don’t know if he got one of their guns. If he hadn’t taken and fired the taser, my guess is the cops would have chased him down, based on how they were previously using appropriate force. Stealing the taser and shooting it off creates a split second decision. 

There are much clearer cases in which police use excessive force or act in a racist manner. This instance is not a good example. Imo, it’s counter-productive to use it as an example because it’s barely in a grey area. There are much clearer examples.

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

@Leo Gura Did he really need to shoot him? The black man was clearly trying to get away, not trying to harm the officers. He didn’t even go towards his car. They had no reason to believe he was going to kill someone. They could have tried instead to call backup and look for him later.

I’m not blaming the cop. This incident highlights a systemic issue in the US police. The officers are too eager to pull their triggers on petty criminals.

It wouldn’t have mattered that much if he ran of with a tazer or even a gun. So many American already own guns. 

he pointed the taser at him though

[Forestluv]

16 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

@Leo Gura Did he really need to shoot him? The black man was clearly trying to get away, not trying to harm the officers. He didn’t even go towards his car. They had no reason to believe he was going to kill someone. They could have tried instead to call backup and look for him later.

Based on how they treated him before, and during the fight, I think the cops would have tried to chase him down if he simply ran away. They had been respectful and clearly did not intend to injure him during the sobriety test or the fight. The game-changer is he stole the taser and tried to use it against the officers. This is a split second decision and the officer doesn’t know if he got one of their guns during the fight. 

In hindsight, they could have just shot him once and injured him. Yet again they don’t know if he got one of their guns. In a split second decision, there is no time to check in with your partner and create a plan. 

A cop needs to be evaluated for what he knew at the time. We can’t expect him to base his actions on information and hindsight he didn’t have at the time. 

[Preety_India]

 

He is not pointing a gun. He is only pointing a taser 

Also he was shot in the back while running. And he was shot twice. However three shots were fired. 3 shots or even 2 shots is excessive. 

Also the black person was far away from the police officers. In no way was he able to cause them any harm. So it would be laughable if the cops claimed they were in fear of their lives. 

The particular cop Garrett Rolfe was incompetent in his arrest of the person. He simply fired. He is unfit to be a cop if he cannot arrest a person alive. Plus he fired thrice. Absolutely unnecessary. 

He should have never been a cop. 

Shooting a guy over a simple DUI arrest is just complete joke and incompetency. These cops are horribly ill-equipped and they are dealing with the situations very recklessly just because they can't handle these situations. 

Either there is a problem with training or there is a problem with recruitment. 

In my opinion these cops are completely incompetent and are simply power hungry and stupid. 

If you are unable to arrest a person without mess and without killing, then you are unfit to be a cop.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Preety_India

[Akemrelax]

26 minutes ago, Raze said:

he pointed the taser at him though

19 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

The game-changer is he stole the taser and tried to use it against the officers.

Idk know much about tasers, but I don’t think they are designed to kill.

How much of a danger is a man with a  gun? I’m sure they could have come up with a strategy to corner him.

I could understand if he was a sociopath or a high profile killer.

I also understand the cop didn’t do anything wrong, he did what he was ‘taught’.

Maybe we can teach cops not to shoot if they don’t suspect any further criminal activity. 

Another suggestion would be to have only a few specialist cops with guns so that if there is a tough situation they can be called for backup. I don’t think we need every cop with a gun.(Risk vs reward)

[Forestluv]

12 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

Idk know much about tasers, but I don’t think they are designed to kill.

How much of a danger is a man with a  gun? I’m sure they could have come up with a strategy to corner him.

I could understand if he was a sociopath or a high profile killer.

I also understand the cop didn’t do anything wrong, he did what he was ‘taught’.

Maybe we can teach cops not to shoot if they don’t suspect any further criminal activity. 

Another suggestion would be to have only a few specialist cops with guns so that if there is a tough situation they can be called for backup. I don’t think we need every cop with a gun.(Risk vs reward)

From my POV, they guy escalated several times. He put himself in a really bad position. I feel for him. Before the arrest, he started talking about his family. He was probably a low income person without the resources to pay heavy fines, lose his license and perhaps go to jail. He is in a terrible position and put himself in an even worse position. 

To me, this is a grey area situation regarding the gun shots. It’s the type of grey area in which specific policies are written. Like you say, there could be a policy that in this type of situation the officer cannot shoot above the waist. Or he cannot shot unless it’s clear the person has a lethal weapon. During cadet training, they could use this type of situation for training and even have re-enactments in which officers learn split second decision making. 

It was clear that the cops treated him respectfully until the escape. If anything, they treated him too gingerly during the arrest, which gave him the opportunity to fight and run. In hindsight, they should have been more forceful when handcuffing him. Yet he seemed like a nice passive guy and they gave him the benefit. And if they used more force to cuff him, people would get upset that they used to much force on a guy that was nice and passively cooperating. A guy that obviously wouldn’t have fought them, steal a weapon and use it against them. . .