The Lucid Dreamer

Lucid Dreaming Experiences and Discussion

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On 3/25/2020 at 9:48 PM, Galyna said:

@The Lucid Dreamer

Sorry for the delay, Chase :)….I have a lot going on today. I think I will not be able to write here about my spiritual journey in details because we are in the topic of dreams, plus too many private things, I do not feel comfortable to share it with everybody. But I will tell you this, I have started to ponder about life meaning at the age of 11. I remember my first books were around the topic “life after death” by Raymond Moody, NLP, UFO, poltergeist, channeling (Kryon), and many others. I will not be able to name them all. Alan Watts, Osho, Makarshi, Maharaj, Tolle, Spira, Ouspensky, Gurdjieff, Robert Adams, McKenna, Audobindo appeared later on in life. Science with the quantum mechanics, neuroplasticity, wave-partical duality, Plank, Loius de Broglie, Neils Bohr haha:D, read a little bit about their theories,  watched some movies about this topic. Was fascinated so much that for some period in my life I lived with a great passion to understand reality and how it worked:x. I was thinking about Enlightenment 24/7, meditating as well. Had heated debates with some people and family as well9_9, still do, sometimes with my mom. Friends? Never talk about this with other people anymore. Only here on this forum.:( Books? Yeah, I could read three books at a time and it would not be enough. I had that crazy passion for knowledge and Truth . Anyway, I will not expend here because it would mean to violate the guidelines of this forum:(..

Wowy. Well it sounds like you’re a rare breed.  To start that kind of questioning at age 11 is pretty remarkable. Hell, let’s be real, to have the degree of existential curiosity you have at all is entirely unusual, period. Seems the only place you can find people like that are on forums like this, and forums like this are incredibly scarce. Don’t know what kind of house hold you grew up in, but it doesn’t sound like there was too much stifling or demonization of existential curiosity and philosophy like in mine. 

Unlike you, I did not really start to inquire deeply into the nature of reality until I was 23, Up until that point, the notion of hell was so drilled into me, that I dared not question my faith. At least not too much.  Growing up, I would have deep thoughts here and there and I would spot inconsistencies within my belief system, but if I ever raised a question to my parents, they would immediately shoot it down or would even become angry with me for asking.  So I started to associate philosophical questioning with emotional punishment.  Because of this, if anything I heard came into conflict with my belief system, I wouldn’t give it any credence; I would just immediately assume that that thing must be false, because it doesn’t line up with the “Word of GAWD.” 

It took being completely alone living in another state for a year in a half, away from any dogmatic influence from family or friends for me to finally be able to break free from that type of epistemological bondage.  That was where I started studying all the science that I had been previously sheltered from.

On 3/25/2020 at 9:48 PM, Galyna said:

 

About dreams: once I had a dream looking at my face in the mirror too. Actually this triggered the understanding that I was in my dream, because I had a different face. I was trying to get a closer look and was amazed how tricky everything in the dream was. I just had a different face features, it was not me at all.

Ooh yeah, I’ve had dreams like that as well where I didn’t look the same. In fact, just the other night, I had a lucid dream where I looked in the mirror and I was a female. O.o I woke up a little weirded out, haha.

On 3/25/2020 at 9:48 PM, Galyna said:

 

Do you remember what Castaneda recommended to do in your lucid dreaming? I wonder if you read his books? Looking at your hands.

  Ya know, I never did read his books. :P I know, shameful for someone who claims to be a lucid dreamer, haha. It’s on my to do list.

 I have done the experiment of looking at my hands though. In one dream, I was looked at my hand and I had like 7 fingers. I was like “Whoa, let me see if I can fix that.” So I flicked my hand, and it went down to 6 fingers. “Almost there.” I thought.  I flicked my hand again to try to get to get it down to 5 but after I flicked it, I had like 10 fingers. All of which I could control individually.  I was like “What in the actual Eff??” Haha

On 3/25/2020 at 11:10 PM, Galyna said:

I am re-reading everything you posted here and I wish you could expand more on this statement. Because I'm literally thinking about it every day. Man, I have so many questions, I am not sure if I can express here everything in a correct way, due to the linguistic limitations. 

Hoo boy! That’s a really complex topic that takes a bit of explaining. I’ll expound on some of it here, but I may have to save the rest for another thread.

This is a thought experiment that can get you to start to fathom the immeasurability of reality:

Okay, so imagine that you are facing a wall standing just a few feet away.  Every second, you take a step towards the wall traversing half the distance of where you were standing and the wall.  You keep doing this, taking a step half the distance, half the distance, half the distance. Forever getting closer to the wall, but never actually reaching it.  The reason why this can happen is because distance and measurement are completely relative.  The distance between your face and the screen you are looking at is the same as the distance between your face and the end of the universe.  

Another way to think about the immeasurability of reality is to think about the concept of shape.  We have these concepts of shapes that we project onto the “Objects” we see in reality.  For instance, we have a concept of a sphere that we use to make sense of the shape of the earth.  Is the earth a sphere?  Well sure, when you’re looking at it from outer space, it appears to be perfectly spherical. So from that vantage point, we say okay, this object lines up with our concept of a perfect sphere.  But  of course if you start to zoom in, you will start to see bumps on the surface, like mountains and valleys and canyons.  So if we want to be more accurate, we have to come up with a new conceptual shape to correct for that change in perspective and account for all the slight details on the surface like mountains and such.  But if you zoom in even more, you will start to see trees, and boulders and rocks and buildings and all these little finer details that further complicate the actual “shape” of the planet.  We can then say, okay, now we have to come up with a new concept of a shape to make up for those details on the surface.  But notice that you can just keep zooming in even more the find even finer details, like pebbles, grains of sand, molecules, atoms, quarks, and so on. At this point we should start to realize that this spherical “shape” that we originally thought was an inherent quality of the earth was not objective, but conceptual.  There literally is no such thing as shape, outside of our conceptual framework.  

Further, there is no such thing as an “object” to even attach the concept of a shape to.  Whenever you look at what you perceive to be a single object, you are looking at an apparent surface that has an unlimited amount of other surfaces that make it up. So is your hand a single object, or is it 5 fingers and a palm? Is it 5 fingers and a palm, or is it trillions of cells? Is it trillions of cells, or is it trillions upon trillions of molecules? Is it trillions upon trillions of molecules, or is it sextillions of atoms?  

Who’s to say how you’re supposed to conceptualize an “object?”

On 3/25/2020 at 11:21 PM, Galyna said:

@The Lucid Dreamer Oh yes, and one more question! Do you have this strange feeling when intuition comes in handy. Let's say something should happen, do you have this feeling inside that you gravitate towards one outcome that the other? I do not know how to explain... when something big is going to happen, in a good way, do you have this feeling that something "great" is coming and you are anticipating it. (I know I am deviating from topic, I am sorry for this :$ ) people sometimes compare this feeling with being in love. Imagine you are in love, that kind of feeling. Like you are surfing on the wave in the ocean. It is kinda that feeling that uplift you. So..... back to the intuition, could you predict events in your life in this manner? I could. A month before the great event happened in my life I had this feeling of an emotional lift. I knew something was going to happen, I could sense it. 

So I do have these feelings sometimes, however, it feels like whenever I get these feelings that the universe immediately will try to do the exact opposite of what I’m anticipating.  If I ever feel optimistic, I immediately become worried that something bad will happen just to slap down my expectations.  I’m not saying that that’s actually what’s going on, it just feels that way.  But because of this, I’ve kind of got in the habit of just trying to not have any expectations of the future at all and just take everything in stride. Just live in the moment and go with the flow, if you will.  If I have no expectations, then I can’t be disappointed. :P That may sound a bit pessimistic, and maybe this has to do with something within me that I need to work on, but it’s just how I’ve been conditioned to conduct myself through my experiences.  

That’s great though that that happens for you in that way.  Must be nice, haha.

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@The Lucid Dreamer. Thanks for starting the thread and good insights from what i read thus far.  It's now featured.  Nice to meet you by the way.


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@Osaid Yes, I certainly do believe that your lucid dreams are a reflection of your subconscious and that you can learn things about yourself through them.

I personally have only experienced sleep paralysis once in my life, so I can’t relate too much with this. 

9 hours ago, Osaid said:

@The Lucid DreamerAlso, your morals and sense of self can be completely skewed in the dreams. I have had dreams where I was running around slicing people up with a knife while thinking nothing of it and actually enjoying myself.

I too have had dreams where I committed morally questionable acts.  What I think this needs to teach us is that no matter how exceptionally moral we think we are, our mind is also capable of the atrocities that we hold in such contempt, if we had only had different conditioning as we were being brought up. So we should not judge other peoples actions so harshly. 

9 hours ago, Osaid said:

Even if you are in a non-lucid dream, whatever emotion or idea you conjure up seems to manifest itself. If you think a monster is gonna appear behind you in a dream, a monster will most definitely appear. I

This definitely happens quite a bit to me, and it’s sort of annoying, haha.  It’s like if I’m doing something in a dream, sometimes I’ll just have this thought come up in the back of my head that’s like “Hrm... what if something really scary happened just now.” And immediately just by thinking it, I bring it into manifestation. It’s like my mind will just sabotage itself just out of curiosity. I don’t understand it. 

 

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1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

@The Lucid Dreamer. Thanks for starting the thread and good insights from what i read thus far.  It's now featured.  Nice to meet you by the way.

The pleasure is all mine, @Inliytened1 . I’ve read many of your posts in the past even well before joining the forum and have always found your insights to be golden. 

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5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@The Lucid Dreamer:)

I am super glad you decided to join the forum.

@The Lucid Dreamer  I am very glad that you have joined the forum as well.:) Thank you so so so much for putting so much time and effort to explain me these things:). I am on this forum for four years and it is a rear event to meet a member like you. It is something about your writing, definitely some hallmark. 

I gotta run but I promise you I will give you a thorough response later. 

Lots of friendly hugs!


"All that we know is limited, something we don't - is infinite"

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45 minutes ago, The Lucid Dreamer said:

The pleasure is all mine, @Inliytened1 . I’ve read many of your posts in the past even well before joining the forum and alway found your insights to be golden. 

Me too, @Inliytened1 is real Godrealizer even  though Leo said that no one in this forum is awake. Also, I was awaiting  for someone really realized in LD like @The Lucid Dreamer .

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1 hour ago, Galyna said:

@The Lucid Dreamer  I am very glad that you have joined the forum as well.:) Thank you so so so much for putting so much time and effort to explain me these things:). I am on this forum for four years and it is a rear event to meet a member like you. It is something about your writing, definitely some hallmark. 

I gotta run but I promise you I will give you a thorough response later. 

Lots of friendly hugs!

You’re too kind. :) It has been great discussing these things with you. 

Take your time; I ain’t goin’ anywhere. 

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3 hours ago, tedens said:

But the second situation took place a few days ago also during meditation. This vision was short-lived and concerned a real place (my neighborhood). It was also accompanied by the feeling that this situation had already taken place but at the same time the strong feeling of the present moment was as if this moment existed forever. I really was amazed and I don't know what to think about it. It's like two moments in one. The intense feelings of these two situations give the impression that they exist "forever" / are written somewhere /.

 You have some pretty intense meditation sessions, my dude! I’m jelly. 

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@Galyna Yeah, i don't get sleep paralysis anymore, but it was mainly cause of my bad sleep schedule.


 "If you showed a caveman our technology, he would think it was magic. And if you showed a modern man magic, he would think it was technology." - Outlast (video game)

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1 hour ago, The Lucid Dreamer said:

 You have some pretty intense meditation sessions, my dude! I’m jelly. 

I've been working with this for over a year and a half. But when it comes to LD, how long did it take you to achieve the results?

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I experience Lucid dreams alot yet I never know what to do in them. And suggestions particularly things that are spiritual

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1 hour ago, whatthefucksgoinon said:

I experience Lucid dreams alot yet I never know what to do in them. And suggestions particularly things that are spiritual

If you haven’t read this post already, here are some ideas.  Though if you would enjoy these activities completely depends on whether or not you find it fascinating how well your sleeping brain can simulate waking reality. 

I personally find it to be mind blowing; it’s like virtual reality, but so much more mysterious. But perhaps most people might find these little types of experiments I do to be mundane. 

On 3/24/2020 at 10:24 PM, The Lucid Dreamer said:

You might be surprised to hear that sexual activity in my lucid dreams is quite rare, and that I tend to be far more interested in doing experiments with the environment and people within the dream.  Whenever I step into a lucid dream, I immediately think to stop and look around very mindfully.  I focus intently on my visual experience to see just how real it seems.

I will pay attention to very subtle things, that most people don’t think about, like the shifting and rotation of the three-dimensional objects as I move around the environment.  Somehow it fascinates me that my mind is able to simulate the 3D rotation of objects.  

I will also go around touching things to see how accurately my mind can simulate the sense of touch of certain textured surfaces.  If I find food or drink, I will consume it to see how well my mind simulates taste and the texture of the food or liquid.

I will test the consistency and static-ness of the environment by looking at a certain object, looking away from it, and then looking back at it several times to see if the object stays static.  

One of my favorite things to do is to go look into the mirror, if I can find a restroom or something. That’s when things usually get very trippy.  My mind usually does a very good job of simulating my facial features, but sometimes some very weird things can happen.  One time I looked in the mirror and my entire face was completely white, including my hair and my eyeballs, and then it morphed into an aged version of my face where I looked like I was 80 years old.  Other times, my facial features will just morph like my eyes will get really big or my mouth will get really small or whatever.  Other very disturbing things have happened when I looked in the mirror that I dare not even describe. 

If I can find a person in the dream, I will ask them questions.  One time, I went into a room where I found an older gentleman sitting in a chair just chilling. I went up to him and I said, “Hey so I’m dreaming right now, and we’re inside my dream.” He nodded his head as if to say “Yeah, duh.”  I then asked, “Are you dreaming to? Like do you have a body outside of this dream?” He shook his head No, and so I said “Oh okay, that’s very interesting, so how does that work? Do you just exist and live inside my mind? Do you have a life here?” He proceeded to explain that he lived inside the matrix of my mind and that everyone, including myself, lives inside a dream or some layer of the infinite matrix.  I was so shocked by this answer that I immediately woke up from overstimulation. 

If I’m not doing little experiments like that, I will be just doing the typical things, like running around super fast, jumping really high, sometimes flying, ya know... just having fun.  And by god, is it fun. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, tedens said:

I've been working with this for over a year and a half. But when it comes to LD, how long did it take you to achieve the results?

Well I started Lucid dreaming spontaneously almost immediately after I began my formal meditation practice 5 years ago.  I would have a lucid dream about 2 to 3 times a month just due to getting in the habit of mindfulness.  
 

It wasn’t until 2 years ago that I really started to get serious about trying to induce them purposefully.  All I did was start a dream journal, and I started taking supplements. I basically started lucid dreaming 2-3 times a week almost immediately after starting to do those things. I would say that the supplements do about 70% of the work when it comes to inducing lucid dreams for me.  
 

Of course the technique is incredibly important too. The wake back to sleep method is pretty much the only way for me to do it. 

The biggest thing though I would say is to simply have the will to lucid dream. That alone will do wonders.

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@The Lucid Dreamer hi, i haven't checked news for some years, did any discovery occurred in the community lately?

what is your favorite stabilization technique?

are you on DV?

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@seeking_brilliance Nice group 😊. In a few, what you guys do there in that group? 


"All that we know is limited, something we don't - is infinite"

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@The Lucid Dreamer
Got couple of questions on mind fellow psychonaut.

My questions are:
-Do you have any experience with astral projection, or are you focused exclusively on lucid dreaming.
-If so, how do you even distinguish between them ? (The thing is, I had a couple of spontaneous of these experiences and I never got to know what was an astral projection and what a lucid dream. )
-If able to, do you find it more efficient to go into a lucid dream and convert it into projection. (I've heard people doing this, not sure if it is a shortcut, or if it is energy waste, aside from trying to convert an already occurring spontaneous experience )
-Do you know of any legit supplements ?


 

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3 hours ago, Galyna said:

@seeking_brilliance Nice group 😊. In a few, what you guys do there in that group? 

It's just to discuss lucid Dreaming. Members range from complete beginner to master, so you'll see a myriad of topics and questions posted... Popular lucid Dreaming authors are members too...


My Imagination is a Monastery and I am its Monk- John Keats

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