Anything that is perceivable in not the perciver

[Samra]

Anything that the "I" can perceive, is not the true being. So where do I look?  If anything that is perceived is eliminated (neti neti) , then there is no where to look. The perceiver cannot perceive itself. The knife cannot cut itself. The eye cannot see itself. But how do I leave the "I" behind? How can I undone being the perceiver? I know there is an infinite possibilities opening up from realising that anything perceived is not me, but I still can't take the leap.

[Preetom]

47 minutes ago, Samra said:

Anything that the "I" can perceive, is not the true being. So where do I look?  If anything that is perceived is eliminated (neti neti) , then there is no where to look. The perceiver cannot perceive itself. The knife cannot cut itself. The eye cannot see itself. But how do I leave the "I" behind? How can I undone being the perceiver? I know there is an infinite possibilities opening up from realising that anything perceived is not me, but I still can't take the leap.

Hi. After doing self inquiry for a while, we reach to this exactly same observation like you posted. 

No matter where the attention goes, there is only more perceivable, never the perceiver. So what to do?

Well now you've reached the 2nd stage of self inquiry where it becomes self resting. When you are watching a movie, you are by definition looking at the screen.

So the only thing you can deliberately 'do' is to intentionally relinquish the interest and fascination over all the perceivable and just relaxing while remaining alert. Instead be more interested in the non located perceiver.

Eventually you will start basking in a sense of spacious beingness. That is awareness right there being aware of itself and slowly undoing all egoic conditionings. You have to stay in that state of observation as long as you can, return to it over and over again.

Use questions like ''who is aware?", "Who is the knower?" to immediately relax the focus from the perceivable and shift attention to being.

Good luck.

[Anton Rogachevski]

4 hours ago, Samra said:

How can I undone being the perceiver?

You can't. There's no one to accomplish the task.

This need is the very unnecessary tension in the forehead one must let go of. 

[SOUL]

Just be at peace... no need to overthink it.

[NoSelfSelf]

You will intuitively know who you are and that you cant be seen but you percieve everything..

[ShugendoRa]

Listen to the original blueprint where you were created. This is a clue a finger pointing to somwhere. This somwhere is language. Which we cant explain with words and is impossible to explain. Everything is maya the knife is illusion your eyeball is illusion look deep look really deep this is why it takes a while to understand this. 

[Samra]

Thanks all <3 you gave me a lot to work with 

[Shin]

14 minutes ago, Samra said:

Thanks all <3 you gave me a lot to work with 

They all said there is nothing to do and/or confirmed what you said.?

We're fucked ??

Edited January 22, 2019 by Shin

[Samra]

@Shin don't over think it!!  :))

[non_nothing]

13 hours ago, Samra said:

Anything that the "I" can perceive, is not the true being. So where do I look?  If anything that is perceived is eliminated (neti neti) , then there is no where to look. The perceiver cannot perceive itself. The knife cannot cut itself. The eye cannot see itself. But how do I leave the "I" behind? How can I undone being the perceiver? I know there is an infinite possibilities opening up from realising that anything perceived is not me, but I still can't take the leap.

Anything that the "I" can perceive, is not the true being.

Who said that? Everything that "I" perceives is the true thing.

So where do I look? 

So don't look anywhere else. You're all that you're here. That's all.

 

But how do I leave the "I" behind?

Show me the "I" you're talking about first, then we can drop it anywhere you want.

How can I undone being the perceiver?

?

How do you turn this on? (hint for geeks; AOE2)

I know there is an infinite possibilities opening up from realising that anything perceived is not me, but I still can't take the leap.

How do you know that? What leap are you talking about? What do you want from life?

[Samra]

On 22/01/2019 at 1:00 PM, non_nothing said:

Anything that the "I" can perceive, is not the true being.

Who said that? Everything that "I" perceives is the true thing.

what I meant was that the perceiver cannot perceive itself. Awareness cannot be perceived. It can only be understood by knowing that it cannot be known,  what is known is perceived, and awareness cannot see know itself. It can only be. That's my understanding so far at least.

So where do I look? 

So don't look anywhere else. You're all that you're here. That's all.

I still cannot grasp this through experience. It is only a conceptual undressing. 

 

But how do I leave the "I" behind?

Show me the "I" you're talking about first, then we can drop it anywhere you want.

I can't find this I exactly. It's everything and nowhere at the same time. It's like a strong force of gravity.

How can I undone being the perceiver?

?

how can I observe the un obserable

How do you turn this on? (hint for geeks; AOE2)

I know there is an infinite possibilities opening up from realising that anything perceived is not me, but I still can't take the leap.

How do you know that? What leap are you talking about? What do you want from life?

I want to master my emotions, I want to be a master in arts, I want to be a great storyteller, and I want to know my true face.

 

<3

 

[Rilles]

Just keep observing that you are not the perceived until the nut is utimately busted. 

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Rilles said:

Just keep observing that you are not the perceived until the nut is utimately busted. 

Can't bust a nut  

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Shin said:

Can't bust a nut  

You are the nut that you are looking for. ?? Buss it

[Nahm]

39 minutes ago, Samra said:

I want to master my emotions, I want to be a master in arts, I want to be a great storyteller, and I want to know my true face

You are. There’s no subject / object, no causation. To master emotion retrace every sensation to what you did, you are the catalyst, there is no assertion. Practice story telling. There is no face. 

[non_nothing]

12 hours ago, Samra said:

what I meant was that the perceiver cannot perceive itself. Awareness cannot be perceived. It can only be understood by knowing that it cannot be known,  what is known is perceived, and awareness cannot see know itself. It can only be. That's my understanding so far at least.

Find out who's understanding is it? Where this is arises from? Let's imagine for a second that you are talking about a sun. A particular sun that has orange color. Now you say that It had been rose in the sky from the horizon. Now I ask you to find the horizon literally. Now don't just try to think for an answer. Rather put this question (as you read it, you put it) inside the basket and lets brew the question there for a while to see what happens.

 

12 hours ago, Samra said:

I still cannot grasp this through experience. It is only a conceptual undressing. 

 I gave you the instructions above. This is the same issue happening here. The same "so to say" computer crush error that would happen whenever you boot your computer up. It is the same.

12 hours ago, Samra said:

I can't find this I exactly. It's everything and nowhere at the same time. It's like a strong force of gravity.

This is beautiful. Yes it is strong force of gravity exactly. I think you got a glimpse of it.

12 hours ago, Samra said:

how can I observe the un obserable

Are you capable of not observing anything that's not existent? . . . h . m . m . . .

12 hours ago, Samra said:

I want to master my emotions, I want to be a master in arts, I want to be a great storyteller, and I want to know my true face.

 

I believe you are a great storyteller if you'd just start to show us/ prove us that you're. Why don't you just start? Then you'll discover your true face while this process is unfolding.