Feminism. Stage blue and red istead of greem?

[Zweistein]

Let me post the version without the fence:

[Zweistein]

@Leo Gura And now we "need" (lol, hehe - here is the needyness again ?) the last version of this image (without the fence) with a male, a female and a person in the wheelchair. I haven't found it anywhere yet... 

And yes, if I happen to find the time, I can fix it, lol.

[Zweistein]

Haha: 

 

[TomDashingPornstar]

 

Edited July 4, 2018 by TomDashingPornstar

[Freakrik]

I am not saying that feminism is red, blue and orange by nature. There is versions of it. But from what i have seen some feminists today are extremely agressive,  loud and violent. (hardcore SJW) and then we have those witchhunting femnist who demonising and hates eveyone that dos not call themself a feminist (men or women). Then they have this wierd ideas like there is no diffrence in male or female brains. 72 genders etc. and when a writer who calmly argues that both genders have their own probelms in his books get hatestorms you know something is wrong https://www.metro.se/artikel/pär-ström-därför-lämnar-jag-genusdebatten-xr (translate to english)

 

Edited July 4, 2018 by Freakrik

[d0ornokey]

@Freakrik my perception of this is that you see the super vocal and crazy ones on youtube

i'm thinking the vast majority aren't actually like that 

[Freakrik]

5 minutes ago, d0ornokey said:

@Freakrik my perception of this is that you see the super vocal and crazy ones on youtube

i'm thinking the vast majority aren't actually like that 

Yes of course They are a small minority. But i had to list them in order to point out stage red femnism. Stage blue seems to be more common

Edited July 5, 2018 by Freakrik

[Leo Gura]

Guess who hates equality?

Mr. Ego

Equality will always be resisted by those whom equality seeks to level. The ego doesn't want equality, it wants control.

The ego is a little tyrant. And no tyrant wants to be deposed. But in the end, the tyrant always loses. It just takes a long time and a lot of people get hurt in the process.

[Gabriel Antonio]

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[Freakrik]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Guess who hates equality?

Mr. Ego

Equality will always be resisted by those whom equality seeks to level. The ego doesn't want equality, it wants control.

The ego is a little tyrant. And no tyrant wants to be deposed. But in the end, the tyrant always loses. It just takes a long time and a lot of people get hurt in the process.

yes of course. But i think it's stupid that you have to call yourself something. And i am talking about what the feminist movement are doing in action. Not on papper 

[MisterMan]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

People who gripe about feminism usually haven't ever bothered to study it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Ask yourself this: "How many books have I read on this topic?"

The whole point of griping is that its a distraction from study, contemplation, and understanding.

I certainly have not read any books and this is just a pure observation but it appears to me that many women use feminism as an excuse to be antagonistic and chauvinistic towards men. Just like Jordan Peterson says that some hide behind the virtue of being a feminist in order to be able to openly exert their anger and resentment that is built within them.

I do not believe these people represent what feminism actually is, but i do believe there other people who use these virtuous groups for more destructive reasons than beneficial and that we are seeing more of this now.

It is quite funny when you look at the situation. Becuase both sides are accusing each other of projection. SJW's will accuse any white man who offers a counter argument as just trying to defend their positions in the patriarchy because their power is diminishing. And People like Peterson say that this is a typical psychological phenomenon "victim blaming mentality" meaning the very people who have been abused, as a means of feeling in control use the very same methods that they were victim to on others. So they are in effect echo chambers

I believe any sort of understanding has to be met in the cause of why people feel like this. It really is funny, that gays trans etc were victims of shaming and heavily condemned in the past and that now they exhbit behaviour that actively seeks to shame and condemn other people.

Edited July 5, 2018 by MisterMan

[SFRL]

8 hours ago, TomDashingPornstar said:

Feminism is about working towards feminine/female interests.  I know it's not the most fun way to put it. But it's the least complicated.  On aggregate, it does not care about or understand masculine interests.

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Freakrik said:

But i think it's stupid that you have to call yourself something. And i am talking about what the feminist movement are doing in action. Not on papper

You wouldn't think it stupid if you were an oppressed woman with no voting rights and few legal or financial rights.

You think it's stupid because it doesn't fit your ego's agenda. From your ego's POV, there's nothing wrong and no need for equality because you already have a decent position in the game.

But if you were a woman in Saudi Arabia with no right to drive or open a bank account, you might feel otherwise.

Or if you had a couple of daughters who get sexually harassed, you might start to see things differently. Now your ego will have some skin in the game. Now it will be personal for you, whereas before it was academic.

What feminist movements are doing in action is creating more equal rights for women. On paper, they have all kinds of academic theories. But in action, women today enjoy many benefits the couldn't imagine 100 years ago.

To understand feminism you have to step outside your male perspective. It ain't about you.

[MisterMan]

A lot of women use masculine energy of the warrior to surpress masculinity.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, MisterMan said:

A lot of women use masculine energy of the warrior to surpress masculinity.

That's a gross generalization, coming from ego.

Nobody really cares about your masculinity but you.

[MisterMan]

I would assume you don't agree with the book "king, warrior, poet, magician" ? Speaking of how different archetype operate within us all and it made the point to adress that in feminism there is a channeling of the warrior archetype that focuses on predominantly ending masculine aggressiveness completely. Both sides of the coin are channeling the same archetype. 

My point was more seeing an underlying connection in how people operate.
 

[Javfly33]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You wouldn't think it stupid if you were an oppressed woman with no voting rights and few legal or financial rights.

You think it's stupid because it doesn't fit your ego's agenda. From your ego's POV, there's nothing wrong and no need for equality because you already have a decent position in the game.

But if you were a woman in Saudi Arabia with no right to drive or open a bank account, you might feel otherwise.

Or if you had a couple of daughters who get sexually harassed, you might start to see things differently. Now your ego will have some skin in the game. Now it will be personal for you, whereas before it was academic.

What feminist movements are doing in action is creating more equal rights for women. On paper, they have all kinds of academic theories. But in action, women today enjoy many benefits the couldn't imagine 100 years ago.

To understand feminism you have to step outside your male perspective. It ain't about you.

Obviously there is nothing wrong with feminism from the point of view of the women. They will do the neccesary things to do in order to see themselves as equally as men.

The problem is, as you said when you talk about spirtuality and normal life, while you might want to reach enlightment or being as conscious as you can, you still have to go to work and eat and feed your children.

While western-culture feminism might be justified from the point of view of women and progress, if you are a men you will react to it, but I dont see it as a vilified reaction of the ego, but rather a natural one. (of course if we dont talk from a radical perspective, since from a radical one ALL reactions of ego are "bad", but i guess we are not talking from that yet since 99.9% of people are not enlightened yet). Let me explain myself:

 

This is actually the politically correct , and accepted hate-speech narrative of the feminism movement in West Culture: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.89d7a438db9b

 

Don´t need to read the whole thing, I Quote from the autor:

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So men, if you really are #WithUs and would like us to not hate you for all the millennia of woe you have produced and benefited from, start with this: Lean out so we can actually just stand up without being beaten down. Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don’t run for office. Don’t be in charge of anything

As I was saying, if anybody its enough "enlightened" that they sacrifice themselves and  will lean out for women, then great for him. But I doubt 1% of people who support western feminism would actually do it.

You see counter-feminism as a problem of the ego, but I think its not even a problem, its a natural response. If Ku Klux Klan would conquer america, would you accuse black men of being too EGO-centric if they started to be against it? In a radical sense, YES YOU COULD! But jesus, I think the reaction of his ego would be so obvious that to use it as an argument to criticise the attitude of the black people would be preposterous. Yet you are doing exactly the same with the attitude of men who stand against feminism when they see that his rights get ripped apart (or suffer political and judiciary discrimination) because of it. Turns out 99.9% both feminism supporters and not supporters are not enlightened yet and both respond to his ego. Then who are we bullshitting?

If anybody wants to actually want to really submit to feminism and conquer his ego, great for him, but the ones who dont, please stop being so hypocrite.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Javfly33

[Zweistein]

@Emerald Do you notice how we as women get very emotional about this topic and tend to argue with a long list of arguments to defend ourselves? Do you notice that this behavior triggers men really badly actually?

Maybe it's actually good that I didn't read so much about this topic yet, because then I might have a better chance to dive into the viewpoint of someone who has never bothered to research feminism. 

I found another version of the picture regarding equality vs. equity vs. liberation. The 3 people stop watching the game (which was a distraction), face each other and have an actual conversation and notice there are more people! ? 

I'm getting very eager to re-paint this including females, wheelchairs, people from all sorts of cultures. But hey, I'm the Mom of two small kids so I don't have as much time as some of you guys/girls! Take this idea and make yourself famous! And If you are following the scientific method, you are welcome to reference to me as source, lol.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Zweistein

[Zweistein]

[Freakrik]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You wouldn't think it stupid if you were an oppressed woman with no voting rights and few legal or financial rights.

You think it's stupid because it doesn't fit your ego's agenda. From your ego's POV, there's nothing wrong and no need for equality because you already have a decent position in the game.

But if you were a woman in Saudi Arabia with no right to drive or open a bank account, you might feel otherwise.

Or if you had a couple of daughters who get sexually harassed, you might start to see things differently. Now your ego will have some skin in the game. Now it will be personal for you, whereas before it was academic.

What feminist movements are doing in action is creating more equal rights for women. On paper, they have all kinds of academic theories. But in action, women today enjoy many benefits the couldn't imagine 100 years ago.

To understand feminism you have to step outside your male perspective. It ain't about you.

That is not really What i meant. Sexuall harasment is a Very real problem. But Why do i have to have to call myself a feminist for common sense stuff. Here in sweden They did a study where only 27% call themself a feminist. (Both men and women). I am not talking old School feminism. I am talking 3th generation feminism. Only a small minority of feminists talk about saudia arabia. Witch is a Very real problem. Things like letting women to vote etc are common sense stuff and feminism has some Very Good parts. But Things like 72 genders is just pure nonsense

Edited July 5, 2018 by Freakrik