Martin Ball says physical reality is real

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Leo even said buddhism is not about god-realization lmao.

It should make you wonder why Buddhists deny God and have an allergy to God.

You can read an entire book explaining Buddhism and God is never mentioned.

Yes, I find that very suss.

[Rodrigo Costa]

@Inliytened1I wasn't defending anyone. I was asking questions.

I agree that our reality is a kind of dream. And I also think we can distinguish degrees of consistency between the "physical" reality and a dream.

But we can only make these discernments because we have feelings that allow us to do so.

What I am suggesting is that Reality (or God) can be described as a broad all-encompassing feeling.

This seems a better description to me than the term "consciousness".

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Rodrigo Costa said:

This seems a better description to me than the term "consciousness".

God is precisely Consciousness.

You cannot avoid Consciousness in this work. It's all Consciousness.

You are conscious right now and that's what God is. It can't get any more direct than that.

God is not a feeling, God is Consciousness.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

20 minutes ago, Rodrigo Costa said:

@Inliytened1I wasn't defending anyone. I was asking questions.

I agree that our reality is a kind of dream. And I also think we can distinguish degrees of consistency between the "physical" reality and a dream.

But we can only make these discernments because we have feelings that allow us to do so.

What I am suggesting is that Reality (or God) can be described as a broad all-encompassing feeling.

This seems a better description to me than the term "consciousness".

 

Well you're gonna weep. So you better have tissues. Leo calls it Love.  But to me it is God. And I shall weep.

[kavaris]

What do yous mean by "feelings allow us to do so"? Like every inception of a thing is predicated on something that felt it?

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It should make you wonder why Buddhists deny God and have an allergy to God.

You can read an entire book explaining Buddhism and God is never mentioned.

Yes, I find that very suss.

As stated in the Four Noble Truths, the Buddha taught a method to end suffering, focusing like a laser beam on this single issue. He avoided unproductive discussions of metaphysics, a stance illustrated in the famous Parable of the Poisoned Arrow. In this story, the Buddha compared metaphysical speculation to a man shot by a poisoned arrow who refuses treatment until he knows the archer's name, caste, and village. Thus, the Buddha maintained that belief in a creator God is not necessary for liberation, offering instead a path emphasizing total personal responsibility to liberate oneself.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

As stated in the Four Noble Truths, the Buddha taught a method to end suffering, focusing like a laser beam on this single issue. He avoided unproductive discussions of metaphysics, a stance illustrated in the famous Parable of the Poisoned Arrow.

And that is why I reject Buddhism.

Metaphysics is the top reason to do spirituality.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Jodistrict]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

And that is why I reject Buddhism.

Metaphysics is the only reason to do spirituality.

For me the only reason is a path to direct experience.  

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

And that is why I reject Buddhism.

Metaphysics is the only reason to do spirituality.

Yeah but Buddhism nailed no self.  So pick your battles.

Edited 8 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Oppositionless]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah but Buddhism nailed no self.  So pick your battles.

Why do you say no self and not capital S Self?

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Oppositionless said:

Why do you say no self and not capital S Self?

Yeah its both.  I didn't study Buddhism in depth but I believe it calls it the Royal Self when the small self dissolves 

[JoshB]

42 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah its both.  I didn't study Buddhism in depth but I believe it calls it the Royal Self when the small self dissolves 

A lot of sects of buddhism deny any kind of self at all even Big S Self. 

And there is much more to awakening even after the self dissolves. 

Edited 4 hours ago by JoshB

[JoshB]

Enlightenment is realizing what you are not. (body / mind / self) 

God Realization is realizing what you are. (Being / Mind / Self)

Edited 4 hours ago by JoshB

[Leo Gura]

The problem is that there are a few very advanced Buddhists, but most Buddhists are just not very realized people, they repeat Buddhist dogma which denies God.

I like Hindu formulations better. They clearly say that Self = Brahman = World. That is correct.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[JoshB]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem is that there are a few very advanced Buddhists, but most Buddhists are just not very realized people, they repeat Buddhist dogma which denies God.

I like Hindu formulations better. They clearly say that Self = Brahman = World. That is correct.

Where does Hinduism fall short?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, JoshB said:

Where does Hinduism fall short?

It doesn't other than outdated methods.

Hinduism misses psychedelics.

[JoshB]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't other than outdated methods.

Hinduism misses psychedelics.

Then why aren't most Hindus profoundly God Realized?

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Then why aren't most Hindus profoundly God Realized?

99.99% of people will never realize God. It is too advanced.

[Hojo]

6 hours ago, Rodrigo Costa said:

@Inliytened1I wasn't defending anyone. I was asking questions.

I agree that our reality is a kind of dream. And I also think we can distinguish degrees of consistency between the "physical" reality and a dream.

But we can only make these discernments because we have feelings that allow us to do so.

What I am suggesting is that Reality (or God) can be described as a broad all-encompassing feeling.

This seems a better description to me than the term "consciousness".

 

 

 

If you pay attention you can see that all qualia is the exact same qualia. Whatever happening and feeling is the same qualia and apple and dogshit are same qualia just playing differently.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It should make you wonder why Buddhists deny God and have an allergy to God.

You can read an entire book explaining Buddhism and God is never mentioned.

Yes, I find that very suss.

Politics, pragmatics. "God" is a poisoned word.

"All of the world's great contemplative traditions maintain that fundamentally there is only spirit, there is only God, literally nothing else exists except God".

 

There is an emphasis on the emptiness aspect of God in Buddhism. The bliss/love aspect, is seen as less central. Could it be that Buddhists are less likely to enter later stages of awakening often referred to as "God-consciousness" (where bliss and love are seen as core facets of God) due to this focus? Maybe. Does that mean Buddhists in principle are not at such a stage? Maybe not.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard