Martin Ball says physical reality is real

[Holymoly]

On 12/11/2026 at 4:48 AM, Leo Gura said:

A perfectly consistent and continuous dream is still a dream, it is just harder to escape.

You will notice Martin Ball still believes in an external material world. He doesn't have enough construct-awareness to see that he is dreaming the external world.

Which is why I said before that his energy work approach is not enough in this work. God-Realization requires understanding, not just high states or energy work.

He lacks the understanding that Everything is his own Mind.

What is meant by energy work? is it useful to do? I have been living with someone who claims to be an energy healer.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura Martin Ball had proper God realization. He says you are God.  He got that point deeply. You are reality experiencing yourself he said. 

And still a materialistic worldview? How is that possible. 

Edited 9 hours ago by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

What is meant by energy work? is it useful to do? I have been living with someone who claims to be an energy healer.

Martin means it as unlocking energy in the body. He takes a massive dose and then has some kind of energetic shifts.

8 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Martin Ball had proper God realization. He says you are God.  He got that point deeply. You are reality experiencing yourself he said. 

And still a materialistic worldview? How is that possible. 

Of course it's possible if the mind isn't thinking.

It is not enough to experience God, you have to understand what God is and what it isn't.

Just because a lion attacks you doesn't mean you understand lions.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

God is like the center of a black hole that sucking in stuff only there's no stuff to suck in. The energy is in a human body. Energy work is the human body.

 

It like a brain dead black hole that dosent even know its there. God have no energy. Shakti is the energy and it not God.

Whatever we think dying is like is what God is. You will die but you will still be there its everything you think it is except the fact that you stop existing. You will still be there.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Thought Art]

@Hojo why isn’t shakti also God?

[Hojo]

@Thought Art God is always not that. While God create Shakti its not what it is. Its the absence of all Shakti. That why there is a seperation between God and Shakti. Shakti like the energy on the tv when its on God is like the tv is off.

There is absolutely no feeling or energy involved. Its completely still void of nothing but its aware.

Like a tv set turns off and there is still something watching the TV.

When we die and meet God we can't move feel or think when we are God.

We have to sit there till Shakti comes back.

But you can still emote till you eventually stop emoting and become one with eternity.

Like a tv turns off for awhile there is still a person sitting there that was watching the TV after the tv is off. Then eventually the person dissapears and turns into the off tv.

You will feel like a child that just got grounded and you can throw a really big tantrum.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

I did the 120x concentrate when I experimented with Salvia.  I didn't really resonate with his comments on Salvia.

[Hojo]

@Thought Art there is an upside. Eternity can last 1 day. It just depends on how much you struggle merging with eternity. Eternity dosent have to be a super long time. Its more about how easily you give up all your memories and emotions.

Like you can die for 24 hours and be back on earth. Or you can die for 2000 years and still be throwing a fit.

The tv set will automatically turn back on after you merge with eternity.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

could it be that it's because he's a scientist at heart that he still clings onto a materialist worldview? and maybe he doesn't want to say too whacky things he'll lose credibility in the scientific community.

This is always a factor.  We do not want to tarnish our reputation.  

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura OK got it. 

I didn't know how important thinking could be. It's the ego mind which builds a worldview. So all your understanding is still an interpretation. But based on true experiences. That leaves a rest possibility that you are fundamentally wrong and reality could be something completely other. 

I really thought material worldview cannot survive after some 5 meo breakthroughs.

[Leo Gura]

Materialism gets very subtle and stubborn.

[Joseph Maynor]

Teachers tend to get caught up in their narratives that they like to present to their students.  

[Jodistrict]

In Hinduism, the view supports a particular practice for self-realization.  The view of Vedanta supports a renunciation practice.  Tantra supports living in the world.   Thus, all views are valid.  Pantanjali’s Yoga Sutras is dualistic, but if you read the entire sutras you will discover that it leads to non duality. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Jodistrict

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's entirely silly to put your stock in the unknown, especially when the known itself reduced to its ultimate, is essentially indistinguishable from nothing. But you can still give the credence to the unknown, by making the distinction. In other words, asking "can there be anything outside of consciousness?" is like asking "can there be anything outside of nothing?". It's not very fruitful but you can ask the question. I.e. it doesn't make much sense for there to be something outside of nothing. But you can always postulate a something that you don't know. Non-duality is when you say "cut the crap, you don't have to postulate shit, reality still is".

I humbly believe you are mistaken in equating nothingness and consciousness in terms of ontological category. Consciousness is merely a structure that integrates various levels, creating what we call experience.

There is nothing mystical or sacred called " The Consciousness"; it seems that way to us humans because we value consciousness above all else and equate the lack of consciousness with non-existence.

But answer this: if you were in an accident and your memory were reduced to zero, and you could not distinguish one instant from another, and you were an alien living for hundreds of billions of years, even all of eternity, yet for you everything were the same non-time, no process, no happening, just a static now without differentiation in which a million years and a second were exactly the same, and there was no difference between anything, would you be conscious?

Of course, a Buddhist would answer: exactly!!! This alien would reach the perfect consciousness, the rigpa, sunyatta, pure emptiness. Well, if it's really pure, it's exactly unconsciousness. Anesthesia. No time, no process, no registration. When the Buddhist or meditators say that they reached pure emptiness, they are operating from a system that register information, it's just another state of the mind, being conscious of yourself as a human without the chattering of the mind. Then, in this mind without barriers, the revelation of the source could happen, but it's always from the human interface that register the process 

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The view of Vedanta supports a renunciation practice.

It is not a renunciation. The point is to eliminate distraction so the world can be recognized as God. Then you can live fully in the world. You do not renounce the world. You only renounce it temporarily to quiet its noise.

The last ox-herding picture is the monk laughing in marketplace.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura