What do you make of Channeling?

[Thought Art]

When I see videos like this I just think it’s BS. Is she shameless? Or is she mentally ill? It’s an act? A self deception? Is there anything legitimate about this? Why does she speak like Bashar. I’ve read books or parts of books that are profound and supposedly channeled… I am not against it existing if it does.  But this seems like new age nonsense even the alien names are from the new age culture book.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcMndspS6Px/?cplk=YnprdmdmMmg1Z2lr

She channels all kinds of different groups and speaks always within the same paradigm, vocal pattern. I think she’s a little bit self deceived. The narratives aren’t unique or original, they are human opinions we have in our culture already but feint framed as channeled wisdom. 
 

The guy that channels Bashar is doing the same thing. It’s not real channeling to me. If channeling is even possible. 

Edited yesterday at 01:01 AM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

Like, this to any average person is ridiculous 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcyhADUgUZg/?srtk=azY5eWVmc3Z2NHBi

and this?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcJuBy4R_-j/?psln=MWJtaHJhbnNuenF5eA==

What is going on here psychologically?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbwjMGTAMPI/?exln=b2FmNXpybTh3aGQ0
 

I’ve had to do a lot of work to develop a spiritual approach that at least attempts to merge and use science and spiritual tradition. A lot of this new age stuff it corrupt.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbwjMGTAMPI/?exln=b2FmNXpybTh3aGQ0

What do these people think they are doing? Do they fact check their beliefs? Is it just spiritual ego? Whatever this is it isn’t a part of a true spirituality. It’s something else.

I study Qigong, which has language in it that is new age like and I am sure people even tend to think it’s new age. But, it’s not completely so. There is somatic, mindfulness, breathing logic to it in my perspective. Though Qigong like any field has good and bad claims.

I consider meditation, contemplation, psychedelics, pranayama, Qigong, reading, and observation aspects of my spiritual practice. It’s clear to me consciousness, is foundational. I also think it’s clear humans are energetic conscious beings. Yet, the human body is beyond complex and requires many lenses to grasp it. Making sense of them is not easy. I am of course not a doctor but I have access to lots of information. 
 

 

But channeling, distance viewing, distance healing. I don’t buy it. These and many new age ideas of fantasy, story telling. Group think, beliefs, narratives. It’s ideology and pretend to feel a certain way. 

Edited yesterday at 01:19 AM by Thought Art

[Salvijus]

Channeling is as old as spirituality. Particularly in shamanic practices. Leaving the body, being in a trance state, and letting another entity take over to do certain work and or give certain knowledge is a common thing in shamanism. And most traditions have their own version of that. 

Everyone is a channel to be fair. By attunement to a certain vibration you're always channeling either love or fear into the world. Presence or ego. 

Edited yesterday at 03:15 AM by Salvijus

[integration journey]

I know you don’t like Bashar but he has some good advice when it’s not too new agey 

[Thought Art]

@integration journey Good advice isn’t proof of channeling an alien though

[Michal__]

7 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Channeling is as old as spirituality. Particularly in shamanic practices. Leaving the body, being in a trance state, and letting another entity take over to do certain work and or give certain knowledge is a common thing in shamanism. And most traditions have their own version of that. 

Everyone is a channel to be fair. By attunement to a certain vibration you're always channeling either love or fear into the world. Presence or ego. 

Exiting the body usually happens in a state between sleep and wakefulness. 

Doing it completely awake is elite.

I managed to do that only once and I've had thousands of OBEs.

There's no way these guys are doing that.

They are not exiting the body. Including the guy channeling bashar.

[Thought Art]

If it’s real, these popular channellers ain’t doing it

[LastThursday]

I don't think channelling is much different from forms of divination, such as I Ching or Tarot or automatic writing or dowsing. The "props" in those other cases acts as a way round the conscious mind's interference, to get at something outside of every-day consciousness. I just see channelling as a direct method without using props. 

The real question is what is outside of normal conscious awareness if anything and can it be accessed? Plenty I'd say and yes.

Can someone be delusional and just have a very active imagination? Sure. Can people be deluded into thinking the channeler is for real when in fact they're a charlatan? Sure. But it's like that with anything.

 

[Jirh]

In my opinion, it's a mix of legit spirituality with so much noise and garbage and ego and delusion, depending on how corrupt and low consciousness the person doing the channeling is.

What's valid is the insights that may come from accessing different states of consciousness. And not all those insights are automatically valid. Many of them are garbage and require heavy filtering.

The rest is pure nonsense. Anytime you hear anything about some (physical or otherwise) beings channeling insights into someone's consciousness, you can be sure it's delusion.

Basically, remove persons/ego out of channeling, and you're good to go. The concept of self and other is the noise and garbage that corrupts any validity channeling might have.

[PenguinPablo]

8 hours ago, Thought Art said:

If it’s real, these popular channellers ain’t doing it

I feel like the channeling is the message but the character is made up.

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

I don't think channelling is much different from forms of divination, such as I Ching or Tarot or automatic writing or dowsing. The "props" in those other cases acts as a way round the conscious mind's interference, to get at something outside of every-day consciousness. I just see channelling as a direct method without using props. 

Channeling requires a shift in state, often a big shift. It doesn't happen in a sober state like the other practices you mentioned (and I think they're mostly nonsense). The shift can be induced or spontaneous, but it has to happen for the channeling to occur. Without the shift in state, new insights are unlikely to come about.

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

The real question is what is outside of normal conscious awareness if anything and can it be accessed? Plenty I'd say and yes.

I don't think there's anything "outside" normal conscious awareness. It's the same stuff, physical and mental, but it can be interpreted differently according to state, which makes state shifts valuable.

[Jirh]

53 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

I feel like the channeling is the message but the character is made up.

Yes. That is correct and accurate. And the making up of characters is often unconscious that turns delusional.

[LastThursday]

12 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Channeling requires a shift in state, often a big shift. It doesn't happen in a sober state like the other practices you mentioned (and I think they're mostly nonsense). The shift can be induced or spontaneous, but it has to happen for the channeling to occur. Without the shift in state, new insights are unlikely to come about.

I agree that a shift in state is required, otherwise we're just looking at a sober state. The point of having props is precisely to induce that shift in state primarily through ritual and belief. Then having a margin of interpretation so that the less conscious stuff can be exposed.

Channelling is different because you have to work harder to shift state, unless you're accomplished at it. It's also different because whatever is being channelled is taken to be somewhat verbatim. But I don't see any issue at all with interpreting whatever is being channelled, in any case the meaning of a channelling is always dependent on the listener.

17 minutes ago, Jirh said:

I don't think there's anything "outside" normal conscious awareness. It's the same stuff, physical and mental, but it can be interpreted differently according to state, which makes state shifts valuable.

There is, just phone me up and I'll describe to you plenty outside of your conscious awareness. Channelling is the same process, except you're using some mechanism that's normally not very well exposed. In other words we channel all the time, but mostly it's swamped and masked by "ordinary" awareness.

[PenguinPablo]

1 hour ago, Jirh said:

Yes. That is correct and accurate. And the making up of characters is often unconscious that turns delusional.

And I meant to say the channeling is the authentic message, download, or whatever you prefer... But yeah a lot of the other stuff about alien beings or whatever seems fantastical and I even feel like I notice Daryl scrambling to come up with something on the spot lol. 

The message and spiritual advice he gives to me seems so spot on that I can separate the two. 

[eos_nyxia]

I also consider channeling to be comparable to automatic writing, drawing, singing, etc. All of these processes have their potential uses, "creative uses" being a very obvious one. Being limited only to your conscious habits and processes is generally a boon for no one -- everyone alive (by nature of being alive) has some version of unfinished business, whatever it is.  There are benefits and reasons for attempting a direct mode of access rather than only engaging in more holistic self-development processes (which everyone should probably do anyway) and then dealing with whatever floats into your consciousness. 

Without an extremely rigorous personal accountability process, I consider it to be pretty worthless and even dangerous for my own use (if truth is what you're looking for, but why on Earth would you trust a channeled entity to tell the truth about who it is and what its agenda is? Like if you wouldn't trust an IRL person in this way, why would you trust some voice that showed up in your head??? And if you do believe the voice, what is the actual qualification process for it?)

As for believing in a channelled person, who cares? Take something useful from what they're saying if it's there, if you're not inclined to believe them. If you do believe them, it helps if you already know the person and trust them, and you are also already a good judge of character. But if you are going to believe them, ask yourself why as well, and come to understand your own standards in the process.  (TBH I feel the same way about other people believing me about supernatural stuff, but then, it's also one reason why I rarely bother to talk about it.) 

Edited 8 hours ago by eos_nyxia

[Joseph Maynor]

I resonate with channeling.  I like to say I share in this way, instead of teach.  I'm conscious that I am creating.  

[Jodistrict]

Personally I am highly skeptical of anything new age.   

But this guy is becoming popular.  I was wondering what you think of him.

 

[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

I feel like the channeling is the message but the character is made up.

Then is lying no? Because the whole thing is they are claiming a being is speaking through them. But if the character is made up it’s not real.

[Thought Art]

The most convincing channeling I’ve come across that is top of mind is the Conversation with God Series. The wisdom in that series is very profound. I don’t know how he did that.
 

@Jodistrict I don’t know him that well.  Just notice he is copying bashar vocal patterns too. And, he says things which are human and not unique or original.

@eos_nyxia But, if the whole premise is they are channeling and they aren’t why listen to anything they say at all? They aren’t frontal load being deceptive. Runnnn

Edited 8 hours ago by Thought Art

[eos_nyxia]

This is roughly the problem with channeling, or any kind of direct psychic medium work. And this is assuming that people are trying to authentically connect wholeheartedly (not being fraudulent and self-deceptive from the outset) and are actually capable (as in, they've inherited or developed the necessary hardware and software to actually do the work accurately enough):

 

Imagine that you yourself are a mirror, and whatever you are trying to channel or access psychically is also a mirror. 

You are a being with a distinct personality, often with non-negotiable likes and dislikes, fears/ anxieties (very much including anything latent), and an agenda (even if that's just staying alive lol), a whole host of blindnesses and emotional/ mental vulnerabilities (which are often not always so clear to yourself). You psychologically project in whatever way that you do. 

You are also attempting to channel a being with a distinct personality, and more of the above list applies than is often taken into account. Channeling is often going a step beyond, which is trying to fuse another being's personality directly into your nervous system (but only under your own acceptable conditions, otherwise that's just considered involuntary possession lol). 

Now imagine that both of those mirrors are facing each other directly -- infinity mirrors. What gets bounced back and forth ad infinitum, unless one or another mirror somehow pulls away (if they can)? Can you easily enough determine what comes from where from looking at any one part of what is visible on either mirror?  (You pretty much can't unless your mirror is spotless enough and you know your own mirror, like really KNOW it.)

That is the real risk of distortion, IMO. Even with your own mirror clear enough, it is only "easy" (not quite the right word, it's more like "frictionless") against another clear mirror. And if you don't know what you're looking at, it is very unlikely that you're getting a clear mirror. 

 

In the visible New Age, you have:

1) people with a lot of undigested baggage, which is often why people come to spirituality in the first place -- because something is very seriously broken or something is missing, and not because they are happy and having all their needs and desires met. Not to assume that they haven't done things like shadow work, but rather that there is still a shadow aspect which gets very... active when opened up via the crown. Like adding the energy of fire to things that would otherwise stay quite inert in a person's psyche, like mud (earth and water) -- there is a huge potential for self-destruction and entanglement. 

In ancient Chinese philosophy, there is the notion of perpetually polishing your mirror. Basically all the time, everyday.  These people are not polishing their mirror enough.

2) People who don't really believe in or have a consistent accountability process when it comes to dealing with psychic energy and presences, usually because they prioritize vibes and feels above everything else. Along with that tends to come the unwillingness to be wrong and acknowledge that they can and probably will make mistakes, both to others and themselves, and also being too sentimentally attached to whatever they're channeling. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by eos_nyxia