Anyone been following Russell brand’s rape trial?

[Leo Gura]

 

[Leo Gura]

 

[Basman]

Another accusation has hit the news sir

[Leo Gura]

Brand has so many accusations that that alone is damning.

[r0ckyreed]

He deserves 10 years then.

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

He deserves 10 years then.

Perhaps so. He genuinely treated women like trash.

[Seed]

Y’all realize these women are being paid to share their stories ? 
 

He’s just been convicted. It’s open season for Russel Brand. Anyone short of cash can say anything and get a payout. NO evidence required 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Financial incentive exists. Therefore, allegations may be fabricated.

Therefore, the allegations deserve little credibility - this is a non sequitur

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Lyubov]

Something like what Brand did is difficult to judge because what he did which has been deemed to be wrong is woven in a good bit with many other details of his case which would not be considered criminal. I have a bias here which I am wanting to make fully transparent here because in many ways I see many shades of Brand's behavior accepted and valued and seen as a valuable commodity by most women in the dating "market place" (I hate this word). I am going to take some time to do some reflecting on this case and my bias. Sex and passion and things that happen in the heat of the moment do not always map perfectly to judgement and law, which is why we have a legal system and why it isn't perfect. It's the best we got but it ain't perfect.

Edited 6 hours ago by Lyubov

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Consent is so muddy and tricky. I feel it is underdetermined as a "complete" theory of sexual ethics.

It is so often presented as a relatively clear binary threshold (most frequently by women).... but human interactions through which consent is communicated/interpreted/understood are often anything BUT binary.

[Jirh]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Consent is so muddy and tricky. I feel it is underdetermined as a "complete" theory of sexual ethics.

It is so often presented as a relatively clear binary threshold (most frequently by women).... but human interactions through which consent is communicated/interpreted/understood are often anything BUT binary.

Yes.

What makes it even more damning is that sometimes it appears as rejection. I've had that many times where the girl is playfully saying no but actually meaning YES PLEASE!

Reading between the lines is not always easy. And sometimes, just reading the lines is enough.

[Jirh]

I can also imagine a scenario where the girl says yes but actually means no. Like in a fawn response in sexual assault.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Jirh said:

I've had that many times where the girl is playfully saying no but actually meaning YES PLEASE!

Reading between the lines is not always easy. And sometimes, just reading the lines is enough.

Coupled with this, many people will claim it's a total mood killer to be so explicit regarding consent. But then simultaneously argue consent needs to be given. Enthusiastically to boot. 

I am confused as a woman. Now imagine most men in this scenario. Take into consideration men can have lower EQ and deal with the biological drive for sex overriding rationality... 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Jirh said:

I can also imagine a scenario where the girl says yes but actually means no. Like in a fawn response in sexual assault.

This is, I would argue, quite common. 

[Thought Art]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Consent is so muddy and tricky. I feel it is underdetermined as a "complete" theory of sexual ethics.

It is so often presented as a relatively clear binary threshold (most frequently by women).... but human interactions through which consent is communicated/interpreted/understood are often anything BUT binary.

Well articulated imo.

Edited 1 hour ago by Thought Art

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Jirh said:

Yes.

What makes it even more damning is that sometimes it appears as rejection. I've had that many times where the girl is playfully saying no but actually meaning YES PLEASE!

Reading between the lines is not always easy. And sometimes, just reading the lines is enough.

They can say that but if you make a move and they say no and push you away that's when you have to respect that.