Point Out My Bias

[AION]

You are against maps. And although maps aren’t the territory it doesn’t mean they aren’t useful. I hope in your books you will map (read: model) things out because you claim to be tier 2 holistic. But your work is not holistic at all. Only the stuff you borrowed from Wilber. 

[hundreth]

This preoccupation with calling out academics and scientists. Yes, science is not the ultimate truth. But science is just a tool no different from a screwdriver. 

Of all the problems in the world today, we would be better served to listen MORE to scientists and academics, but you spend about 50% of your content shitting on them. The world is wrought with science denialism, and you're behaving like we're all praying to the church of sciencology. 

I think you can speak about this in a more nuanced way.

[trenton]

@Leo Gura I think you operate under ableist biases. I believe I do as well as I typically don't assume a person is disabled in some way when speaking to them online.

The reason this is relevant for you is because your spiritual teachings explicitly assume a normal psychology rather than a mind with some kind of disability. This includes various mental health scenarios as well as spiritual genetics that prevent people from being as naturally gifted at spiritual practices. You therefore are aware that almost nobody on this forum will awaken or realize they are God without parroting whatever you tell us while individually deceiving ourselves.

My question would be concerning how much depth do you look into mental disabilities? It looks like a subject you tend to avoid looking more closely at even though this forum inevitably attracts people who are suffering such as those with PTSD from child abuse.

Part of me is wondering if only you are able to actually verify your spiritual claims because of psychedelics interact with your particular body rather than the body of a disabled person. I'm wondering if people with mental disabilities who claim to have spiritual experiences without psychedelics might complicate your current position depending on how much depth you put into exploring these conditions. Schizophrenia would be one. I have autism. There are plenty of others worth investigating.

In my case, I don't know how you would evaluate the experiences I describe. Some cultures think that sleep paralysis dreams come from people with a higher spiritual sensitivity, although my research and understanding rejects this. I did have some sleep paralysis episodes, but it appears to be a manifestation of whatever a person's unconscious insecurities are, oftentimes rooted in PTSD. I saw many things including a ghost dressed like a prisoner.

I feel like all of this complicates the hallucination in terms what a spiritual experience is. I definitely saw clearly general grievous from Star wars standing over my bed before he transformed into my closest door. I don't know how to evaluate which hallucinations count as a spiritual experience and which ones don't.

Do people with mental disabilities complicate which hallucinations would count as awakenings if not just psychedelic experiences? Are these people more or less conscious and how do you tell? If your framework assumes a normal psychology, then I think you have already cut out a large chunk of the population which is a significant bias.

I would love to hear what you think of this.

Also if you saw general grievous for real, you would be terrified. That thing is a monster, not something you would be fascinated by when in the flesh. I wonder how this compares to people who saw Jesus in a dream and if it is equally reliable by comparison for determining a savior.

[Thought Art]

I think, you are biased toward cognitive contemplation over energetic and bodily contemplation of movement, Qi, etc.

I don’t really know you. I’ve seen you address a lot of stuff, change over time. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thought Art

[Salvijus]

Probably any topic where you get emotionally flared up and  the reactivity of the mind is very strong is likely going to have an ego bias in it and is worth looking into it. 

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[integral]

A bias that most people's problems are mental and not physical. 

Your ratio: 99% of peoples problems are a lack of growth and development. A self-development bias

The real ratio: Most people are physically ill, not mentally ill, Making them neurotic, stressed and dysfunctional.

People that look perfectly healthy are not, they have a shit base level high. 

Edited 50 minutes ago by integral

[Majed]

3 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

I think Leo is pretty spot on with religion. It’s his view of science that is over-generalized. Religion is mind control. It’s a spiritual circle-jerk. They don’t care about truth. If they did, they would admit dressing up for church is more about community than it is about questioning their assumptions and mythology.

@r0ckyreed Religion is a framework in which happens infinite interpretations of reality.

[Vido]

I find it weird how Americans have a very strong opinion on politics no matter what conciousness level you are. I feel Leo has strong political opinions too. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Vido said:

I find it weird how Americans have a very strong opinion on politics no matter what conciousness level you are. I feel Leo has strong political opinions too. 

I been studying politics for 20 years.

They are strong in a meta axis. Not in a partisan axis. I am strongly anti stupid.