is Redpill holding me back

[PsychedelicEagle]

19 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

is redpill holding me back.

8 years later and still asking?

 

Edited 22 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[Schizophonia]

9 hours ago, LordFall said:

Do you think most men experience the competitive nature of our society as being satisfying? 

I agree with you that under the right mental paradigms you can start to see it as envigorating and satisfying but for most it's more like a heavy burden if not a crushing expectation. 

If someone wants more results they need to work harder/be more motivated, and if they can't achieve that maybe it's not for them, or they need to get rid of things that are damaging their reward system or even their self-esteem.

 

I don't like language elements like "redpill", "game”, or “competition” in this context because it's toxic. 
Put like that it sounds giga-woke lolz but I'm not saying this out of cowardice or a refusal to question things, but on the opposite to gain efficiency. Because these terms firstly foster a sense of powerlessness by suggesting a burden to the subconscious, just as when you were little you were more likely to procrastinate/rush through your homework as you convinced yourself that it was a chore.

Secondly they promote paranoia and generally a perspective on life that ultimately proves to be alienating. You start thinking less about starting a family and more about picking up girls, you think less about starting a useful small business and more about starting a useless dropshipping or online business because you've seen people get rich with it, you read less literature or even real, demanding psychology like Lacan and more useless dog shit like the books of Robert Greene, David Deida, etc, you watch fewer gardening videos and more videos of two guys with a microphone spouting verbal diarrhea. And so on. 
 

And finally there is fundamentally a great deal of ingratitude in this perspective. When you know the lives of our ancestors frankly we should be ashamed to even use these words. 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Schizophonia

[LordFall]

@Schizophonia I agree with some of what you say especially about the paranoia and focus on negativity. I think you're missing the empowerment aspect though. I don't know much about Lacan but I like a lot of Nietzsche's thoughts on the relationship between humans and power. 

The most toxic part of the Red Pill is the victim mindset and scapegoating of women for a man's lack of value and agency. They also are not very philosophical so are quite dogmatic.

I had a conversation with one of the most influential Red Pill thinkers Rollo Tomassi 6 years ago and he was stuck on there being only 2 kinds of man, a blue pill provider male and a red pill alpha male. I tried to tell him that you can obviously combine the good characteristics for both but surprisingly he thought that it was a fantasy and women weren't even looking for that. 

I don't really have a label for my ideology but the term I like best is being a renaissance man. It originated from the 15th century and talks about being a polymath and having a deep mastery over many important subjects of life that are important to you. I really see that pursuit embodied in Stage Yellow multiperspectivalism and anybody that fails to reach that seems quite limited to me. 

A lot of men tend to avoid the harsh parts of having to compete in dating market but that's the foundation of our species. Most mammals have quite a hard time mating and it's what leads to us being more adaptable and powerful as a species over time. It's quite simply natural selection. Trying to meditate your way out of that is just as silly as the red pillers blaming entitled women for the strange state of the dating market today.

Females are supposed to be entitled; If women were easy we would be all in a field to this day. 

Edited 20 hours ago by LordFall

[meta_male]

On 10.10.2026 at 4:09 PM, Ramanujan said:

i do think redpill = timeless truth .  redpill is not wrong. but i didnt do much .

Redpill is one of the few places where young men feel heard about their dating struggles. The rest of society often tells you to suck it up and that you're the problem, without really acknowledging how painful loneliness and constant rejection is.

The problem with redpill is how it generalises. It takes your experiences and turns them into rules and absolute truths about women and dating. Eventually, you end up seeing every interaction through that lens, making you distrustful and holding you back from forming genuine connection.

If you ask yourself if it's holding you back: How much has it helped you understand yourself and women better? How much has it helped you form meaningful relationships?

 

[Raze]

 

 

 

[Elliott]

"Game and muscles" are for casual sex, not finding a wife.

All you need to study is communication, relationship psychology, and do some self-assesment about your tendencies in interacting with others. Then just go be nice to women like to be friends, you'll find a wife.

[Ulax]

26 minutes ago, Elliott said:

"Game and muscles" are for casual sex, not finding a wife.

All you need to study is communication, relationship psychology, and do some self-assesment about your tendencies in interacting with others. Then just go be nice to women like to be friends, you'll find a wife.

Many in game are in it to find a wife

[Ramanujan]

On 10/10/2026 at 8:00 PM, Xonas Pitfall said:

If your ultimate goal is to have a loving relationship with a woman, then at some level you have to actually like, respect, and appreciate the people you’re trying to build that relationship with.

i cannot respect woman after coming to know about what woman do to their husband during divorce in USA , hypergamy , woman going after bad boys and chads while making nice guys suffer ,  making nice guys suffer , shit test ,  not willing to cook etc etc

 

 

 

 

[Ramanujan]

On 10/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, LordFall said:

No, your victim attitude and lack of action taking is holding you back.

yeah. facts

 

On 10/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, LordFall said:

I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18 because in high school I was shy, stuck in my head and scared of women. I started doing pickup and reading a ton of the red pill subreddit around 19 years old and got my first girlfriend at 20 and have slept with around 50 women since then. 

wow cool. thats motivational

[Ramanujan]

On 10/10/2026 at 8:16 PM, Majed said:

Find a high quality conscious healthy woman, by creating a social life, and focus on authentic relationships. 

yeah , ig redpill is about general population , which are rude and assholes

[Ramanujan]

On 10/11/2026 at 6:41 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

As a woman, if I sense even a wif of red pill I am instantly turned off.

woman get turned on with criminal people and evil people and dangerous people . redpill is not that bad

[Ramanujan]

On 10/11/2026 at 6:51 AM, aurum said:

There are some truths in the Redpill, but it's coated in a bunch of bitterness, misogyny, misunderstandings of development and just general male-bias.

Strip it for its truth and leave the rest.

yeah

[Ramanujan]

On 10/11/2026 at 6:53 AM, Leo Gura said:

Red Pill slowly poisons the mind. You don't even precieve all its toxic effects on you yet.

yeah. i now hate female nature.  after looking into what woman are doing to nice guys and weak guys in US and europe. i cannot unsee it. like they fuck a bad boy in first meeting and make a nice guy wait for sex for 4 or 5 times.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

57 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

woman get turned on with criminal people and evil people and dangerous people 

This is red pill brainwashing. It's like a lens of corruption on your understanding of reality.

Edited 51 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Ramanujan]

@oOo yeah.. thanks for writing this big

[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

like they fuck a bad boy in first meeting and make a nice guy wait for sex for 4 or 5 times.

That is no different than you eating some fast food vs planning a holiday feast.

Of course the fast food is quick and dirty.

[Ramanujan]

@Emerald my idea is that redpilll = about sensor woman. is intuitive woman different.  are INXX different

i mean INTP , INTJ and other INXX men are different from the norm

Edited 41 minutes ago by Ramanujan

[oOo]

10 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

@oOo yeah.. thanks for writing this big

Np.

Notice how those guys, however insightful they may sometimes feel like, never actually differentiate personality, intelligence, cultural background, etc

Its all just sweeping statements.

God bless, stay true to u

[Leo Gura]

@Ramanujan There's no point in being upset with women, they are just surviving, like you. You have needs, they have needs. Everyone tries to satisfy one's needs as best as they are able.

The idea that women have it easy is an illusion. Women a have problems you don't even know are problems.

Edited 32 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

22 minutes ago, Ramanujan said:

@Emerald my idea is that redpilll = about sensor woman. is intuitive woman different.  are INXX different

There are women with a strong sensing function who are wonderful. There are women with a strong sensing function who are terrible.

There are women with a strong intuitive function who are wonderful. There are women with a strong intuitive function who are terrible.

So no. Red Pill doesn't have anything to do with these functions. 

Red Pill is an inaccurate philosophy that manipulates and agitates men's vulnerabilities, pain, and shame about their identity, Masculinity, and relationship with women... and then gives them a scapegoat to blame their feelings of vulnerability, pain, and shame on.

This creates a closed loop where men go to Red Pill creators to have their vulnerabilities agitated. Then, the Red Pill creators also sooth those vulnerabilities by saying, "That's hard. None of that is your fault. It's just that women are evil and bad... and Feminism is coming to get you."

So, it brings men through a powerful emotional roller coaster that keeps them hooked and addicted... like emotional validation, agitation, solidarity, collective rage at women, relief from responsibility, comfort, injustice, vindication, superiority to women, loneliness, powerlessness, despair, revenge, redemption, protection, and other strong feelings.

And it's a whole emotional cycle that men get manipulated through. And it essentially whips them into an emotional frenzy, and creates more barriers to interacting with and dating women than there ever were prior to learning about Red Pill.

Then, because of the issues that Red Pill causes, women don't want to be around the Red Pilled man... which leads to greater loneliness. 

Then, that drives the man back to the Red Pill.

So, the Red Pill narratives are designed to push strong emotional buttons and create unresolvable emotional loops that keep men feeling powerless to women and in victim's mentality towards women... which leads them back to the Red Pill. 

So, the Red Pill is a space where the men hit you with poison ivy narratives. Then, they give you the ointment in the form of blaming women... but the ointment is actually just more poison ivy. It just feels soothing for a moment.

Red Pill is a space where men can go to get irritated and soothed and irritated and soothed and irritated and soothed... with the same poison ivy.

Edited 19 minutes ago by Emerald