is Redpill holding me back

[PsychedelicEagle]

19 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

is redpill holding me back.

8 years later and still asking?

 

Edited 12 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[Schizophonia]

9 hours ago, LordFall said:

Do you think most men experience the competitive nature of our society as being satisfying? 

I agree with you that under the right mental paradigms you can start to see it as envigorating and satisfying but for most it's more like a heavy burden if not a crushing expectation. 

If someone wants more results they need to work harder/be more motivated, and if they can't achieve that maybe it's not for them, or they need to get rid of things that are damaging their reward system or even their self-esteem.

 

I don't like language elements like "redpill", "game”, or “competition” in this context because it's toxic. 
Put like that it sounds giga-woke lolz but I'm not saying this out of cowardice or a refusal to question things, but on the opposite to gain efficiency. Because these terms firstly foster a sense of powerlessness by suggesting a burden to the subconscious, just as when you were little you were more likely to procrastinate/rush through your homework as you convinced yourself that it was a chore.

Secondly they promote paranoia and generally a perspective on life that ultimately proves to be alienating. You start thinking less about starting a family and more about picking up girls, you think less about starting a useful small business and more about starting a useless dropshipping or online business because you've seen people get rich with it, you read less literature or even real, demanding psychology like Lacan and more useless dog shit like the books of Robert Greene, David Deida, etc, you watch fewer gardening videos and more videos of two guys with a microphone spouting verbal diarrhea. And so on. 
 

And finally there is fundamentally a great deal of ingratitude in this perspective. When you know the lives of our ancestors frankly we should be ashamed to even use these words. 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Schizophonia

[LordFall]

@Schizophonia I agree with some of what you say especially about the paranoia and focus on negativity. I think you're missing the empowerment aspect though. I don't know much about Lacan but I like a lot of Nietzsche's thoughts on the relationship between humans and power. 

The most toxic part of the Red Pill is the victim mindset and scapegoating of women for a man's lack of value and agency. They also are not very philosophical so are quite dogmatic.

I had a conversation with one of the most influential Red Pill thinkers Rollo Tomassi 6 years ago and he was stuck on there being only 2 kinds of man, a blue pill provider male and a red pill alpha male. I tried to tell him that you can obviously combine the good characteristics for both but surprisingly he thought that it was a fantasy and women weren't even looking for that. 

I don't really have a label for my ideology but the term I like best is being a renaissance man. It originated from the 15th century and talks about being a polymath and having a deep mastery over many important subjects of life that are important to you. I really see that pursuit embodied in Stage Yellow multiperspectivalism and anybody that fails to reach that seems quite limited to me. 

A lot of men tend to avoid the harsh parts of having to compete in dating market but that's the foundation of our species. Most mammals have quite a hard time mating and it's what leads to us being more adaptable and powerful as a species over time. It's quite simply natural selection. Trying to meditate your way out of that is just as silly as the red pillers blaming entitled women for the strange state of the dating market today.

Females are supposed to be entitled; If women were easy we would be all in a field to this day. 

Edited 11 hours ago by LordFall

[meta_male]

On 10.10.2026 at 4:09 PM, Ramanujan said:

i do think redpill = timeless truth .  redpill is not wrong. but i didnt do much .

Redpill is one of the few places where young men feel heard about their dating struggles. The rest of society often tells you to suck it up and that you're the problem, without really acknowledging how painful loneliness and constant rejection is.

The problem with redpill is how it generalises. It takes your experiences and turns them into rules and absolute truths about women and dating. Eventually, you end up seeing every interaction through that lens, making you distrustful and holding you back from forming genuine connection.

If you ask yourself if it's holding you back: How much has it helped you understand yourself and women better? How much has it helped you form meaningful relationships?