Is Leo Gura awake or not?

[Someone here]

58 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

think his ability to deliver the message in a modern context without any riddles or obfuscations which flies over most seekers even though several Eastern religions explicitly say the same thing, namely Hinduism. 

I don't know why other people haven't just come out and said it so matter of factly or in plain English.

There is always a sort of spiritual veneer, that mystifies the description in some sense.

I think Leo is the only guy that just flat out said it. Maybe it's because he has the benefit of speaking to a modern audience that is alive at the same time as him. 

A thing is true because it’s true , not because Leo says it . A thing is false because it’s false , not because Leo denies it . 
if solipsism is true then there is no point of talking to others . Because others are inert like doors . Would you talk to the wall ? No because it can’t hear you . 
so far what’s Leo’s proof of solipsism ? “Take  5 meo 100 times , not 78” . And lose your mind or in worst cases die .  I mean …… 

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[Joseph Maynor]

I'm starting to think not, but convince me otherwise lol.  

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Leo has not had the Cessation type of Awakening

@Leo Gura Is this true?

[Someone here]

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Whatever . Not in the mood for trouble-making lol

[Jirh]

I think it's a Buddhist mistake to define awakening as detachment from the dream. Leo warned about this years ago.

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

A thing is true because it’s true , not because Leo says it . A thing is false because it’s false , not because Leo denies it . 
if solipsism is true then there is no point of talking to others . Because others are inert like doors . Would you talk to the wall ? No because it can’t hear you.

There's practical value in talking to others even if you believe they aren't conscious like you. In video games, you talk to various NPCs to get what you want/need to win the game.

Not to say I believe in solipsism, but that the logic holds as long as the belief is held. You can believe in solipsism and talk to others. But what you can't do is believe in solipsism and believe that others exist. Hence, Leo says you are him, everything is imaginary, there is no self, there are no others, only Self/God exists, etc...

Now, the leap from that to Love is a difficult one for me to comprehend.

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[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm starting to think not, but convince me otherwise lol.  

No, Leo cannot be the only one Awake. That would make this a cult. Which it is not. 

God is Selfless. Love is ALL.

Edited 2 hours ago by Yimpa

[Eskilon]

22 hours ago, cetus said:

Ask yourself this. If it weren't for Leo, how awake would you be? Be brutally honest.

It's true that Leo was and is a major figure on my path. But that doesn't mean he has gone all the way. 

[Eskilon]

17 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Does not seem like he has baseline / "perpetual" mystical/non-dual awareness like those examples you mentioned, he will probably tell you yourself

I seem to intuit that too. Nice to know your perspective on this.

[Eskilon]

7 hours ago, LastThursday said:

It's the age old question: how do we know anything?

The best you can do is ask and then observe the answer. But if you don't know what you're looking for then it's a dead duck even before you've got started. 

In general you can't trust what anybody tells you, because they could be grifting, deluded, misinformed, ignorant and so on.

It's even worse in Leo's case because none of us has met in him person, all we have to go on are is his videos and what he writes on here and elsewhere. He seems intelligent, sincere, coherent, and the sum of his behaviour and output over time seems to support the view that something's going on him - so I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

The problem with having any particular trait or experience (such as being awake) that nobody else has, is that it's blindingly obvious to yourself that you have it and others don't, but the converse doesn't hold, and no amount of grandstanding can convince everyone or even some people - because they don't have it and they can't understand it.

Well said. I give Leo the benefit of the doubt and he gave me insane ammount of value overall. But, I do question if he is on par with the figures I mentioned on the topic.

[Eskilon]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

Cessation

That's interesting that you mentioned. What do you think the implications of that mean? How could that influence Leo's teachings and behaviour if he did have that awakening? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Eskilon