Only way to be free is...

[James123]

..to dismantle the body.

The end of bodily identification unravels our concepts of the universe, God, infinity, and mind.

Gravity, experience, and the divine do not exist in a vacuum—they operate strictly within the framework set by the physical form. The body is the engine of all perception.

Remove the body's rules, and the entire architecture of existence, infinity, and God collapses into true freedom.

[kavaris]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

... Remove the body's rules...

This is an approaching topic -id imagine- as, in itself, just asking what the rules are, and how to defy them, creates a complicated path forward, nevertheless it may be a very much necessary question. Hence, going forward, Leo or someone else might decide that its a priority topic (i might soon too, or maybe later today, im just in the middle of somethin atm). The topic would be (if yous want to try it out) removing rules of the mind/body, to investigate the soul. Allsthe really would matter is getting at the heart of that soul, but its not always just a straight shot there, As we are literally the act of separation in body form, so weve actively decided to create those rules that we are now deciding on defying, if that makes sense.

[James123]

10 minutes ago, kavaris said:

This is an approaching topic -id imagine- as, in itself, just asking what the rules are, and how to defy them, creates a complicated path forward, nevertheless it may be a very much necessary question. Hence, going forward, Leo or someone else might decide that its a priority topic (i might soon too, or maybe later today, im just in the middle of somethin atm). The topic would be (if yous want to try it out) removing rules of the mind/body, to investigate the soul. Allsthe really would matter is getting at the heart of that soul, but its not always just a straight shot there, As we are literally the act of separation in body form, so weve actively decided to create those rules that we are now deciding on defying, if that makes sense.

If you remove the body or detach or surrender the body, how the fuck can you investigate?

thats what true nature or enlightenment is about 

[Mellowmarsh]

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Have you dismantled the body?

[Mellowmarsh]

On 13/09/2026 at 7:24 PM, James123 said:

If you remove the body or detach or surrender the body

You cannot even detach the body because there’s nothing holding on to it, or attached to it.

There is always nothing.

[VeganAwake]

On 9/13/2026 at 0:42 PM, James123 said:

..to dismantle the body.

The end of bodily identification unravels our concepts of the universe, God, infinity, and mind.

Gravity, experience, and the divine do not exist in a vacuum—they operate strictly within the framework set by the physical form. The body is the engine of all perception.

Remove the body's rules, and the entire architecture of existence, infinity, and God collapses into true freedom.

It's just an empty body. 😕 

[VeganAwake]

WHO needs to do or believe all that?

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

WHO needs to do or believe all that?

He does lol.  

[VeganAwake]

Can he at least try being nobody for a change?.....geeez!

[integration journey]

That’s some deep esoteric shit bro 

I’ll have whatever he is smoking 

[Joseph Maynor]

43 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Can he at least try being nobody for a change?.....geeez!

This seems what you want to do.  

[Mellowmarsh]

You are free.

You didn’t pay to be born, and it’ll cost you nothing to die. 
 

Nothing always is.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Mellowmarsh  nice to know there is something we can still afford in this economy

[Mellowmarsh]

@AerisVahnEphelia 🙂

[Yimpa]

Only way to be free is to stop identifying as a human separate from the universe and be one with GOD.

The end  

[vibv]

On 13.9.2026 at 7:42 PM, James123 said:

..to dismantle the body.

Only way to be free is by not having to go one extracular step.

[kavaris]

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"Remove the body's rules, and the entire architecture of existence, infinity, and God collapses into true freedom"

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If you remove the body or detach or surrender the body, how the fuck can you investigate?

Interesting dilemma you got goin, but im just ignoring it towards what i think matters. What i feel is the idea of there being no things, and what that really means, underneath the veiling of a thing, that always is experienced and treated as a thing.

What we feel and what we think, what we believe, what we say, are not the same. Likewise, the nature
of our true and authentic selves and the realms of death underneath, it is something that's constantly
evolving through our renewed understandings, An unrevealing made explicit, made obvious, like belief, and to unravel anything, is to create, it is 'to be, its synonymous w/ becoming, Like the first hermetic understanding is that, to realize is to "become like", to understand / to know is something that happens later — towards *becoming*

"Things" and "no things" live in that realm of contemplation around what a conceptual or physical thing is, and how this moment can be nothing, how you describe nothing as its happening, and how you justify nothing, and in the grounding of nothing, how to conduct it as if its tryly nothing, or if theres a little more to the story. That is, you can imagine theres nothing, but to talk about it is to point to something. Right? Like yous have never not talked about something, so what do you think you mean when you say nothing?

Edited 1 hour ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

Better yet jus ignore all that crp and get to this ques.,  Q:  "Whats the relationship between the raw emotional conjurings and corrolary creation from nothing ?

p.s. im not entirely sure anyone should try to answer this, but rather, you want to get closer to viewing the behavior [of thought] that exists around it, in contemplating what it is that it is talking about. Its like a super built up question, and im leaving out alot of background now.

Edited 1 hour ago by kavaris