Challenging Leo on women

[Alexop]

Leo, I remember you saying that if a woman becomes "too mature", "too technical", "too logical"... she becomes less attractive to you. She basically becomes a man so to speak.

https://youtu.be/v08NV8wN3zY?is=n4MxeZTJtIA-2Pvy

But think about this. For example the woman presented above: Mariana Mazzucato; is IMO a true Tier 2 woman, and we can find many such examples (maybe a younger, physically attractive Tier 2 woman). Women that have such a high intelligence that they  easily can learn about femininity and masculinity, learn how attraction and relationships work, and therefore learn how to "switch sides" so to speak. 

With switching sides I mean, when they interact with their partner, they are going into their feminine side. They let go, relax, and let the man be the brain, while she is taking a break from all her intellectual efforts. Such a woman is tired of all the time being in her masculine, so she will happily and naturally feel the need tot take a break. Not just for the relationship's sake. And the other feminine qualities that we, men, love can also be easily learned: e.g. playful and cute behaviour.

Now the big challenge for such a woman is to really find a man that matches her maturity and intelligence. But think about this: what if you, Leo, meet a young, attractive equivalent of Mariana Mazzucato? Supposing that she also is strongly educated about attraction and femininity/masculinity, what would be the reasons you wouldn't find her attractive?

Personally I am am more attracted to a mature, technical woman that can discuss ideas and can appreciate my intellectual value. Such a woman can deeply see my value, such a woman can be such a fun companion. Such a woman can offer me much more than sex. The big IF is that if she will be able to trust my lead and competence instead of reversing the polarity. If not, then yes, I would lose attraction.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Alexop

[aurum]

People do not switch between core orientations and temperament. Does not matter how much polarity theory you read.

If her core orientation leans more masculine, it's going to stay that way.

People are just ultimately not that flexible.

 

[Alexop]

55 minutes ago, aurum said:

People do not switch between core orientations and temperament. Does not matter how much polarity theory you read.

If her core orientation leans more masculine, it's going to stay that way.

People are just ultimately not that flexible.

 

This is the counter-argument I was expecting. i am curious if Leo agrees.

It cannot be an absolute conclusion anyways because we are talking about attraction, which is subjective. There are people who get attracted to horses.

Ultimately, I would say for sure that you have to be genuinely more developed and mature than her, otherwise she won't trust your lead. And women are attracted to power, if she senses she has more power than you, she loses attraction.

[Spiral]

In my experience people are actually quite flexible over long periods of time. As in if I almost exclusively hang out with feminine people I become more feminine myself, this takes time, months usually. Although in the moment there is not much flexibility.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Spiral

[Alexop]

44 minutes ago, Spiral said:

In my experience people are actually quite flexible over long periods of time. As in if I almost exclusively hang out with feminine people I become more feminine myself, this takes time, months usually. Although in the moment there is not much flexibility.

 

Or they manifest masculinity because they were hurt in the past, and when they heal themselves, they go to their natural feminine personality.

Edited 4 hours ago by Alexop

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Alexop said:

Leo, I remember you saying that if a woman becomes "too mature", "too technical", "too logical"... she becomes less attractive to you. She basically becomes a man so to speak.

https://youtu.be/v08NV8wN3zY?is=n4MxeZTJtIA-2Pvy

But think about this. For example the woman presented above: Mariana Mazzucato; is IMO a true Tier 2 woman, and we can find many such examples (maybe a younger, physically attractive Tier 2 woman). Women that have such a high intelligence that they  easily can learn about femininity and masculinity, learn how attraction and relationships work, and therefore learn how to "switch sides" so to speak. 

With switching sides I mean, when they interact with their partner, they are going into their feminine side. They let go, relax, and let the man be the brain, while she is taking a break from all her intellectual efforts. Such a woman is tired of all the time being in her masculine, so she will happily and naturally feel the need tot take a break. Not just for the relationship's sake. And the other feminine qualities that we, men, love can also be easily learned: e.g. playful and cute behaviour.

Now the big challenge for such a woman is to really find a man that matches her maturity and intelligence. But think about this: what if you, Leo, meet a young, attractive equivalent of Mariana Mazzucato? Supposing that she also is strongly educated about attraction and femininity/masculinity, what would be the reasons you wouldn't find her attractive?

Personally I am am more attracted to a mature, technical woman that can discuss ideas and can appreciate my intellectual value. Such a woman can deeply see my value, such a woman can be such a fun companion. Such a woman can offer me much more than sex. The big IF is that if she will be able to trust my lead and competence instead of reversing the polarity. If not, then yes, I would lose attraction.

 

I think if you're looking for a long term partner then intelligence should be at the top of the list.  If she isn't at your level there will be issues.  Or I should say if you're both not at equal levels intelligence wise and development wise.

[BlessedLion]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

And women are attracted to power, if she senses she has more power than you, she loses attraction.

What is your definition of power?

[BlessedLion]

I kinda feel for women in this regard, becuase we live in a society where being feminine isn't really rewarded, certainly lot financially (unless your in some niche, or a prostitute or porn star) so women are in a bit of this pickle of "do i make money, take care of my shit and lead my own life?" (risking their attractiveness) or "do i stay in my feminine energy but sacrifice my own autonomy and financial independence?"

 

The problem is that on an evolutionary level, men will not find a woman who is leading her own life and ship a certain way to be very attractive, because there can only be one captain of a ship, the direction of their relationship and lives need to be lead by someone, the idea of steering the ship "together" is cute but will inevitably reach power struggles and head-butting. 

Ideally, you want a woman who finds your ship and where it is going to be very powerful and inspiring and she hops on board. But i can see why woman would find this to be bullshit.

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

I kinda feel for women in this regard, becuase we live in a society where being feminine isn't really rewarded, certainly lot financially (unless your in some niche, or a prostitute or porn star) so women are in a bit of this pickle of "do i make money, take care of my shit and lead my own life?" (risking their attractiveness) or "do i stay in my feminine energy but sacrifice my own autonomy and financial independence?"

 

The problem is that on an evolutionary level, men will not find a woman who is leading her own life and ship a certain way to be very attractive, because there can only be one captain of a ship, the direction of their relationship and lives need to be lead by someone, the idea of steering the ship "together" is cute but will inevitably reach power struggles and head-butting. 

Ideally, you want a woman who finds your ship and where it is going to be very powerful and inspiring and she hops on board. But i can see why woman would find this to be bullshit.

That is very true. As soon as she acts bossy and mothery to me, I lose attraction. And we wonder why guys use such women only for sex. Because only the body is feminine, so they only want to body. 

I think there exists a balance in women that we, self-improvement nerds find attractive. A woman who is passionate about ideas.and self-improvement but also soft, flexible, and feminine. Maybe not as brainy and nerdy as most of us guys but enough that she fills us with joy.

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

What is your definition of power?

Power is relative. I see power as leverage over something/someone. For example if she sees that she can find a guy that is better than you in all possible ways, then we can say that she has more power than you. Guys do the same if not mature enough, they will just fuck the whole city instead of committing to one woman. Just because they can. 

This is why dating apps suck. Women have waay to much leverage over guys there.

Women are attracted to power because this is how they survived for millenia. By seeking protection from a strong man/group of men. Men care more about beauty/femininity and often are repulsed by power in women.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Alexop

[LordFall]

I agree I think intellectual and competent women are very hot. I dislike the clueless princess archetype, I want competent queens to rule my empire with me type of energy.

7 hours ago, aurum said:

People do not switch between core orientations and temperament. Does not matter how much polarity theory you read.

If her core orientation leans more masculine, it's going to stay that way.

People are just ultimately not that flexible.

 

Why are you so confident in being wrong? What makes you say this?

I have met many confident women that operate in their logical mind all day that a lot would consider masculine and controlling in their day to day life and a lot of them just became super girly and submissive behind closed doors. 

One girl I knew was a stage technician like with work boots screaming at people to disassemble the behind the scenes of theater productions and would get coffees at the cafe I worked at. I asked her out one time and she ended up back at my place and she had these pink pyjamas that she brought and was literally the most sweet cuddly girl. Completely different from the girl I saw from her at work or even when she came to the cafe.

In Toronto they have the Cyattie archetype which are women that talk like hood mans and act pretty aggressive and curse all the time. I think that's mostly a sociological adaptation to fit in with the street culture we have here and I haven't slept with one yet but the girl like that I worked with was super nice and sweet once you got to know her but kind of aloof and standoffish otherwise.

That's only two examples but it's so common, even a lot of dominant men are known to enjoy letting go of control behind closed doors and a lot are attracted to dominant women and literal femdoms due to this peculiar psychology. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[enchanted]

Just fuck whoever you want. Don't listen to Leo. The best type of love is radical and breaks all the rules. Even the rules Leo suggests. 

Leo is great if you are lost. If you aren't lost than live your life the way you want and ignore what some random YouTuber says. 

Edited 1 hour ago by enchanted