The Tension Before the Approach

[Miguel1]

2 hours ago, Zenterus said:

Can he get results? Sure. But I personally dont consider him an authority. I made a thread a little while ago where RSD Jeffy and Luke exposed that Owens game is terrible. Too polarizing, too over the top and gets him constantly blown out and thrown out of venues because he lacks social calibration.

Owen gets results by massive volume and playing the long game:

Hosting parties and networking etc. where he is seen as a big authoritative figure. He also needs rich friends to host massive parties with.

For same day / night pulls, he is terrible.

He is basically like a club promoter but he takes the girls from the club and invites into his own party where he is the star.

This is not a realistic approach for most people getting into pick up.

At the end of the day, Owen is physically way too unattractive for game to help him much. His only choice really is to do what he does, and hypnotize some girls to fall hard into his frame and lifestyle. That’s why he pushes frame so hard. The only way for him to get attraction is if manages to get some girls to lose all sensemaking.

Edited 10 hours ago by Miguel1

[Andrey]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Olaf Dude, Owen is the biggest creepy loser. Lol

 

[AION]

55 minutes ago, Valach said:

You could keep the condescending approach to yourself and do some self inquiry before you respond.

This is not how you are going to get laid. 

[Valach]

38 minutes ago, AION said:

This is not how you are going to get laid. 

If that is all you care about, enjoy life I guess.

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, AION said:

This is not how you are going to get laid. 

This is not how you are going to learn Chinese.

[LifeEnjoyer]

Guys check out Owen’s Last Game program. He explains why he’s so polarizing there. 

It’s basically ‘Purple Cow’ from Seth Godin

[Raze]

23 minutes ago, LifeEnjoyer said:

Guys check out Owen’s Last Game program. He explains why he’s so polarizing there. 

It’s basically ‘Purple Cow’ from Seth Godin

That program was basically just some unreleased YouTube videos, it was pretty lame.

Edited 7 hours ago by Raze

[hundreth]

I have to level with some of y'all. You take this too seriously and are too deep down the rabbit hole consuming and following this PUA community content. I'm not saying its not useful to learn some pick up and game, but diminishing returns hit extremely fast here.

90% of it is just the push to do approaches. Another 5% are the basics of direct approach vs non direct. The last 5% are all of these specifics the dating coaches might impart on you. All of those little nuggets of knowledge, you can't really integrate them. Its too many small disconnected threads and competing ideologies. 

The only way to get better is to date and spend more time with women. Even more importantly, to spend more time improving and living your life. 

You aren't going to get better at game by consuming more of this content. Take the basic messages, then go live your life and develop your own style. Its like that old Alan Watts adage: when you get the message hang up the phone.  

[LordFall]

6 hours ago, Zenterus said:

To add, Owen doesn't do daygame. He is purely a night game guy. Why is that? Because day game deals with sober girls, in their right mind, who are very sensitive to any weirdo behaviour in a man who is approaching them. You need very solid social calibration in the day time vs night time.

In a bar or club, where girls are partying and drinking, you dont need to be as sharp because the girls are in a different headspace. If Owen can barely get results at night, you BEST BELIEVE he aint getting none in the day time.

The guy cant read social cues too well. He admits this himself in almost all his videos.

Owen has a strange chip on his shoulder that seems to not him connect with people authentically without power games so your point on him not resonating with the more grounded environment of daygame is very astute. 

I think what Leo means by creepy is he's always frame battling people even where there is no need to like he never got over his teenager insecurities and sees the world as a competition 100% of the time. 

My Velvet Network business partner took a bunch of bootcamps from RSD and he said Owen's bootcamps were the worst because he didn't actually put in effort. It was his assistants doing them and at like 2 AM he would show up talk around the club quickly gather the guys outside, give a speech and go home and he was like why the fuck did I pay $1500 extra for this?

You can see he even does it to Sartain here where instead of being warm and friendly with his buddy that he's known for 15 years he's still very cold and calculated and frame battling sartain. I think honestly Owen is a bit of a sociopath and interestingly he stayed far away from psychedelics which perhaps would heal his inner traumas and connect him with the world more. One of the clearest experiences in my life that connected me deeply to people forever since was doing Molly at a club and feeling so much love for these random people that I just considered antagonistic and judging me just an hour ago. 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by LordFall

[AION]

1 hour ago, LifeEnjoyer said:

Guys check out Owen’s Last Game program. He explains why he’s so polarizing there. 

It’s basically ‘Purple Cow’ from Seth Godin

Give a link

[AION]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

That program was basically just some unreleased YouTube videos, it was pretty lame.

Link?

[Miguel1]

6 hours ago, Zenterus said:

To add, Owen doesn't do daygame. He is purely a night game guy. Why is that? Because day game deals with sober girls, in their right mind, who are very sensitive to any weirdo behaviour in a man who is approaching them. You need very solid social calibration in the day time vs night time.

In a bar or club, where girls are partying and drinking, you dont need to be as sharp because the girls are in a different headspace. If Owen can barely get results at night, you BEST BELIEVE he aint getting none in the day time.

The guy cant read social cues too well. He admits this himself in almost all his videos.

And he deals specifically with Club Girls. Not just girls who go to club once a year because their friend had a bd.

Regular Club Girls, who get wasted due to addiction and strong need to escape themselves.

Edited 5 hours ago by Miguel1

[Valach]

1 minute ago, Miguel1 said:

And he deals specifically with Club Girls. Not just girls who go to club once a year because their friend had a bd.

Regular Club Girls, who get wasted due to addiction and strong need to escape themselves.

Then he goes on in his videos about how every woman is BPD and will cheat. I mean duh if this is your crowd.

[Miguel1]

5 minutes ago, Valach said:

Then he goes on in his videos about how every woman is BPD and will cheat. I mean duh if this is your crowd.

The worst part is he also calls some of these girls INTELLIGENT, but will still cheat iF YoU hAve FRAME

[Valach]

1 minute ago, Miguel1 said:

The worst part is he also calls some of these girls INTELLIGENT, but will still cheat iF YoU hAve FRAME

You know I used to look up to him. He has his value for sure but it's just not good material if you want to eventually build healthy relationships.

[Cubbage]

I spent 16 years of my life unable to talk to anyone, let alone women. Once I actually plucked up the courage to work on my social skills, after probably 12 years of doing this consistently I can chat shit to literally anyone and enjoy it, even though I am an introvert at heart. The real issue with not understanding how this works, is lack of experience. You have to be committed to putting in hundreds of hours into the social domain and dating in order to wrap your head around it all and develop mastery, much like anything in life really.

I didn't even have a girlfriend till I was like 17/18, if you're still struggling with women in your 20's I wouldn't worry about it, just keep putting consistent effort in and one day it will all just click and become virtually effortless.

The number one thing you have to change in your socialising with women, is eroding the friendly, nice-guy persona. This should be common knowledge but apparantley it is not. I have never 'pulled' a woman by being the overly cheerful and supportive nice-guy, you need a bit of edge to you, but not fake edge or cruelty, but just embodying what it means to be a cool guy with depth. Easier said than done, but countless hours of socialising will get you there, it's just a matter of whether you can actually be arsed putting in alll that effort, but trust me, one day it works and it doesn't just help with dating it helps in a fuck ton of different areas in life.

[Olaf]

@hundreth I agree that action is most important, without action all of this is just talk

[Olaf]

@Cubbage yep when you are a nice guy it is basically her seeing you as her bestie, going shopping together lol.

[hundreth]

1 minute ago, Olaf said:

@hundreth I agree that action is most important, without action all of this is just talk

Yes. You know who your best dating coach will be? Your next girlfriend. Because she will expose what a twat you are. (Not you personally.)

[Olaf]

I think also the idea is like what do you want out of PUA? I never wanted a hook up, for me it always has been either about getting a girlfriend or learning social skills or becoming more confident and challenging myself. Therefor I would rather resonate with something like building state, which is Owens way, then specific techniques to manipulate someone in feeling attracted to me. As state building is about becoming more confident, while these techniques might help you to get laid in a more manipulative way. Don't get me wrong I still do a bit of that too. Last time I called a hot girl, telling her "are you a hot girl with no personality?" I don't know if that is good push/pull, but it was funny cause those were my exact thoughts hahaha.