The Tension Before the Approach

[Joseph Maynor]

A great test here is how would you like someone to introduce themself to you?  And then reciprocate that.  

[Zenterus]

@Miguel1 Vadim has been having an existential crisis for years now. Go watch his videos "Are you aligned" and you will see a hint of that. I wouldnt be surprised if the whole pickup thing ran its course and he has lost passion for it altogether.

 

[Leo Gura]

Todd's game is very stiff and unnatural from my POV.

The best game is natural, not mechanical.

Don't emulate pickup coaches, emulate naturals. Naturals have better game than top coaches.

My natural friend is better than any pickup coach. And he doesn't even know game theory. More fun too. Pickup coaches tend to be weirdo, creepy guys. Most pickup coaches were and still are loosers.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Todd's game is very stiff and unnatural from my POV.

The best game is natural, not mechanical.

Don't emulate pickup coaches, emulate naturals. Naturals have better game than top coaches.

My natural friend is better than any pickup coach. And he doesn't even know game theory. More fun too. Pickup coaches tend to be weirdo, creepy guys. Most pickup coaches were and still are loosers.

I find naturals tend to be only good in specific environments and struggle to adapt to others especially those they don't have status in. I've had a few extroverted friends that ran laps over me in places where they knew people and were naturally charismatic and talked a lot and gathered the attention to themselves.

In other places where they knew no one that I invited them to the jokes landed very poorly and it turned into a lack of calibration pretty quickly as they understand the fundamental social dynamics and how to adapt to different social environments because they just socialized by instinct. 

@Zenterus Makes sense its common a lot pickup coaches have an existential crisis in their 40s if they don't have other businesses or communities they're a part of. It's like an unmarried party girl in her 40s the results just start getting worse and it's hard to cope with. Roosh V was one of the funniest ones turning from a degen pickup guy to a christian to try and keep the frame. 

Ross Jeffries is one of the few exceptions but I wouldn't say it's aged well, pun intended. 

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[Leo Gura]

My natural friend can talk to any stranger. He makes a living by talking groups of people to go to strip clubs. Clubs pay him to bring people to them.

Extroverts have no problem talking to strangers. They love that shit.

An extrovert will chat with Satan about the weather.

Edited 19 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Jirh]

@Leo Gura How successful is he at it though?

Like I'm sure he's way more successful than an introvert who's forcing himself to do some sales pitch. But still, I think he still faces lots of rejections. He probably just ignores them as noise instead of making him the core of his focus like us introverts tend to do.

Is his success something that he does or possess? Or is it like something deeper than that? Like vibe? Confidence? What do you think is it?

Edited 1 minute ago by Jirh