Professor Dave goes off on Destiny and Israel 🇮🇱

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, hundreth said:

But like I said, most Jews equate Zionism to the belief in a Jewish state. Not colonialism, not ethnic cleansing, not jewish superiority, not greater Israel, not any of this other stuff.

So when the attack vector is "Zionism" it pushes away many Jews who would otherwise fight for human decency. 

I feel like there needs to be another word for the truly horrific aspects of Israeli policy outside of the jewish state identity. Because having a religious or ethnic identity is common around the world. 

So you end up with many Jews rightfully calling this out as anti-semitism because it is the Jewish state being singled out. 

You just succeded to put into clear words what I feel all the time and struggle to find the way to communicate.

Needs to be framed and put on the wall.

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Edited Saturday at 07:30 PM by Nivsch

[Madyar]

On 7/30/2026 at 2:51 PM, Karmadhi said:

My first guess would be racism or islamophobia (since 95% of pro Israelis these days are massively islamophobic) but from other clips Destiny does not come off that way when it comes to other topics

when a belief "islam" is the origin that creates the phobia the word islamophobia becomes meaningless. 

it's like you come up with the word gunphobia lol. why do you fear the bullet then ? let it in your head.

[hundreth]

On 8/15/2026 at 10:07 AM, Raze said:

- the founder of Zionism Theodore Herzl drafted a letter to South African colonists discussing how his movement was similar and he envisioned it as “something colonial”

What does that have to do with what I wrote? I never disputed the history of Zionism. I am specifically talking about how most Jews use the terminology and what their beliefs are. They do not believe in colonialism. They believe in a Jewish state.
 

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- Its not antisemitic to be against a Jewish state, just like it’s not anti-white to be against a white nationalist state. You’ve repeatedly posted the nonsense that there are more Muslim counties as though it’s similar, it isn’t. The Muslim countries don’t occupy millions of the indigenous people who aren’t given human rights based on their ethnicity while actively settling the land with foreign Muslims who have rights for the stated reason of ethno nationalist expansion. Also those countries are considered backwards dictatorships in the west and no one says you are denying Muslims connection to the land or being anti-Muslim if you criticize their human rights abuses by themselves, israel demands everyone acknowledge how western and democratic they are and accuses everyone criticizing their abuses of antisemitism.

You missed the point again. It is antisemitic to single out the Jewish state. It's no surprise you didn't use the counter example of it not being Islamophobic to be against a Muslim state. It sounds absurd to read the words because they've never been expressed even though its the same thing.
 

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- The land being holy in Judaism is irrelevant to Zionisms relation to Judaism, it is holy regardless of the nature of the state, nothing is inherent in Judaism that the land needs to be a Jewish supremacist state, it was holy for thousands of years with Jews on it prior to Zionism. The pioneering zionists were atheists.

Its not irrelevant. This is both a religious and territorial issue. You're actively trying to reduce it to only a territorial one even though there's a huge religious component to it. I don't know why anti Israel voices need to pretend that the nation of Israel belonging to Jews in that territory is not a huge aspect of mainstream Judaic thought. You also smuggled in the term supremacist. Would you use the same terminology for those Muslim nations you defend? Despite not currently having any apartheid like situation they effectively function as what you would consider Islamic supremacy using the same definitions. Once again, it sounds stupid when the coin is flipped. Also you continually ignore my entire point which is to speak of how present day Jews use and think about Zionism. The pioneering zionists do not represent us much the same way the pioneering imperialists who conquered and founded any nations don't represent their current ideals.
 

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- The primary issue is not denying Jewish “connection to the land”, it’s Palestinians being denied human rights on their own land by the Israeli occupation and its enablers. Israel was actually supported by the left wing in the west for decades and they just used that as pretext to expand and spread propaganda to delegitimize Palestinians. Zionists to this day are constantly saying Palestinians don’t exist.

I agree with you here. That's why my plea is to stay focused on the primary issue, which is Palestinian subjugation. What ends up happening is that loaded terms like Zionism are demonized and the core issue gets buried under the rubble. My entire point was that if the focus was on Palestinian suffering you wouldn't have millions of Jews feeling like they are being singled out and attacked for simply believing in a Jewish state.

Edited 5 hours ago by hundreth

[Apparition of Jack]

Israel should’ve been created in Canada or something. Considering that it was essentially an Anglo-American project to begin with it only makes sense that they gave up some of their own land rather than force the displacement of millions of random Sunni Arabs for no reason other than 2000 years ago some ancient Jewish people lived there.