Isn't it all this just a psychosis

[vibv]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not confuse Awakening with mental illness.

If you have mental health issues, please see a therapist.

Also, it's possible to have both.

There are certainly cases that are dysfunctional and require some kind of external help. Though that distinction must be done by the one experiencing those states, as long as he's not harming others, of course.

That being said, on the other hand I think it's not as clear-cut as: This is Awakening, this is psychosis, but way more complex.

If we could handle many cases - maybe even most - differently, I'm sure it would open up great possibilities for mankind. There are areas of the psyche that remain greatly unexplored precisely because of that distinction and the fear of permanent insanity.

"Illness" is something a body has, not a psyche. I'd rather call it "dysfunctionality".

Treating those people as merely "ill" creates that fear-based reality and makes it more difficult to trust other people with those topics, isolating them more and making them seem even more ill. There are far too few places in our society that have a fearless approach with those things.

I think the worst cases of insanity - even someone like Connor Murphy - could be prevented by precisely not immediately labeling them insane, but finding ways of handling difficult spiritual states and having communities - that are not just "insane asylums" or the like - where they can integrate, making true healing finally a possibility. 

Edited Saturday at 08:38 AM by vibv

[Yimpa]

6 hours ago, vibv said:

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Edited Saturday at 03:07 PM by Yimpa

[Human Mint]

Good spirituality (as in spirituality done correctly) is the opposite of psychosis rather.

[Breakingthewall]

19 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

Listen to me. Isn't whole spirituality just psychosis.Psychosis is losing connection with reality.

You guys hold beliefs like I am God, delusions of grandeur. Solipsism, only my consciousness exist, others have no experience of their own. Those are all delusions. So enlightenment is losing touch with reality so it's not different than psychosis.

I want you to visit and tell psychiatrist about these beliefs and get anti psychotic medication.

Spirituality is letting go of your mental structures and being open to the actual, to what is, the living reality.

It's not about learning a new cosmology, but about breaking down the barriers that prevent you to do this.

Spirituality is an action, not a realization, and that action isn't easy because your entire system is oriented in the opposite direction by default.

[vibv]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Did you know you can also hide your posts? Under the post you need hidden, click on “Options”, then “Hide”.

Thank you, found it. I thought that was just for me not for everyone.

[Elliott]

20 hours ago, Zeroguy said:

Listen to me. Isn't whole spirituality just psychosis.Psychosis is losing connection with reality.

You guys hold beliefs like I am God, delusions of grandeur. Solipsism, only my consciousness exist, others have no experience of their own. Those are all delusions. So enlightenment is losing touch with reality so it's not different than psychosis.

I want you to visit and tell psychiatrist about these beliefs and get anti psychotic medication.

What you're asking about is purely psychosis and not spirituality or enlightenment, spirituality has no connection to a self or life. Spirituality has never been discussed on this forum nor can it really be discussed, certainly there would be no point in discussing spirituality, lol, all these people on here trying to explain to other people that they're not a person, a bunch of mental illness being spread around.

Edited Saturday at 06:12 PM by Elliott

[Zeroguy]

During psychosis, the brain can create experiences that feel deeply meaningful and completely real. 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Spirituality is letting go of your mental structures and being open to the actual, to what is, the living reality.

I prefer seeing through rather than letting go of one's mental structures, because reality contains the mental structures.

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I prefer seeing through rather than letting go of one's mental structures, because reality contains the mental structures.

Yes I mean letting go the mental structures at will for a while, mental structures are necessary. The point is making them transparent as you said 

[Human Mint]

I have to add something that I've missing. A lot of spirituality will terrorize the ego in many ways. And that is not necesarily a mistake, but a requisite for grow. Like it can feel you're going insane. But diamonds are created through insane pression.

I still want to diferentiate from full blown psychosis because you can't come out of that one without medications commonly.

[Yimpa]

12 hours ago, Human Mint said:

A lot of spirituality will terrorize the ego in many ways. And that is not necesarily a mistake, but a requisite for grow. Like it can feel you're going insane. But diamonds are created through insane pression

My very first psychedelic  experience in 2018 was extremely terrifying, Which in hindsight I am thankful for.  It set me up for success, and also gave me proper expectations of what this journey truly entails. It made me learn fast that real spirituality isn’t just about transcending suffering,  It’s about facing reality straight in the MF’ing face, whatever the truth is, and boy did I. I went from 0-100,000 - even though I followed all the rules and started small. God said F the rules, here you go, this is what you need!

So yeah,  I donot think I am normal given what I went through. Normally, people would have that kind of experience, of having their entire reality completely melt from the inside out, and never, ever want to explore that deeply ever again. But after I had come down, instead of demonizing the experience and swearing it off for good, I thought to myself, “wow. i really need to explore that again. this is important”. 

[Human Mint]

4 hours ago, Yimpa said:

It’s about facing reality straight in the MF’ing face, whatever the truth is, and boy did I.

Absolutely, this is how you get to the truth not through arguing.

Psychedelics made me sober up real quick. Adapt or die kind of thing.

 

[Nercohype]

@Zeroguy

I 100% agree with you. I've seen so much spiritual egoism on this forum. So many people just listen to Leo and parrot his words. In my opinion, it's pride that makes people feel they have special knowledge that others don't. I believe that is a spiritual sickness. People who claim they are God remind me of my own imaginary characters declaring that they created the world and that no one else exists.

To me, that is incredibly arrogant.