Most Dating Books/Teachers Aren't Exceptional

[aurum]

13 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

I would say on the surface, at a quick look. But when you allow yourself to breathe and to ground yourself, then someone morally evil loses their charm, if you yourself are more mature.

At least this is my experience.

But is "charm" different from attraction?

I think it is.

[Miguel1]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

But is "charm" different from attraction?

I think it is.

In this context they are synonymous to me.

If I find out someone is a psycho murderer, I run as fast as possible, no matter how hot.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Charm is totally separate from attraction for me.

[Raze]

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

In my mind the best game program ever released is the social circle blueprint 1 and 2. It's not really about pickup per say more around social circle and status building. The stuff in it is so powerful it can be said it's too powerful to just pickup women you might as well use it for business and political aims. RSD Luke is massively underrated. Now the course is on Youtube so enjoy, highly recommend it.

 

Luke’s been caught scamming people and a lot of his stuff is just lifted from his mentor 

[LordFall]

22 minutes ago, Raze said:

Luke’s been caught scamming people and a lot of his stuff is just lifted from his mentor 

I'm familiar with Adam Lyon's work as well but what Luke talks about goes to a much deeper scope and scale. Yeah it seems his business ethics leave to be desired, I've heard myself from people I know that buying his personal mentorship he missed calls and took a while to answer. My praise of his courses still stand though and now they're on Youtube so you don't even have to interact with him professionally to get access to them.

I paid for one of his courses myself though and personally had no issues and got a lot of value from talking to him and the other people he brought on. The knowledge from it is how I've ran all my own photoshoots and events like I talked about in this thread here:

 

[aurum]

44 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Charm is totally separate from attraction for me.

How do you see the difference?

[Leo Gura]

Eben Pagan has some great dating courses.

[Ulax]

22 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

Pickup is so fucking shallow and should be thrown in the trash unless you want to waste years trying to use inauthentic strategies which will rob you of the ability to authentically connect to other humans.

You're throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Unless you're lucky enough to have had a good formative social experience with women, you can't generally just rely on authentically connecting with women and get a girl you're not settling for.

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Luke’s been caught scamming people and a lot of his stuff is just lifted from his mentor 

Yes, I've heard that guy is dodgy too. I know someone who said he mocks his clients 

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Charm is totally separate from attraction for me.

Depends what you mean by attraction.

Some mean attraction as emotionally aroused, and some mean attraction as the image of the other person you have in your head.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

How do you see the difference?

It is sort of hard to answer without bringing charisma into it so the definition is clearer. But you make me rethink my position!

Charm = making people feel good around you, positive feelings

Attraction = pull toward someone, desire

Charisma = ability to influence and energise people, attention

I may be unusual in my definition as I am very, very sceptical and wary of people who wield charm. I feel as if it can be used for leverage by inducing good feelings. Charisma is closer in alignment to inner confidence, authenticity, presence and conviction. Charm is more warmth, likability and social intelligence. Attraction is desire, compatibility, chemistry, values... appearance. Attraction is often instinctual and tethered closely to the unconscious (biology, conditioning, attachment patterns, status and confidence cues etc). I feel like attraction often happens several layers down prior to deliberate reasoning.

I take a second look at charm because I consider it easily faked. It can be genuine. But it requires inspection to know. Attraction and charisma come from a position of greater authenticity of expression.

Do you have any sort of thought out distinction?

 

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

Yes, I've heard that guy is dodgy too. I know someone who said he mocks his clients 

Are you here to nitpick people’s characters or learn from them? Maybe he has road rage too I don’t know bro. What I do know is when I paid for his program I was working at a grocery store in 2020 in Toronto and on the group calls he was talking about getting paid thousands of dollars to throw mansion parties and I thought that was insane and unrealistic.

I have since been paid many thousands of dollars, over $20k now over a few years to throw all kinds of events and parties and met hundreds of hot girls through it. 

This one is from the Halloween party we did last year 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRNsCFYErKz/

A lot of the game coaches offer cool little techniques or mindset tricks to not be anxious and maybe you can say it translates to sales skills but Luke was the only one I’ve seen that taught a whole multimedia skillset and networking strategy that unlocked multiple new layers of life for me. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall