Unhealthy Aesthetic Mindset

[integral]

So having aesthetic intelligence is important, but that's not what I'm talking about right now.

A person who has an Unhealthy aesthetic oriented mindset is emotionally disgusted and cannot live in an environment that lacks certain aesthetic things. Things in the home must be ordered in a specific way and have a specific beauty to them or else it's intolerable and they suffer.

For example, somewhere in the house, there's a computer and there's some ugly wires hanging out, well this is like a splinter in the mind, disgusted and incapable of having this computer there ugllyfieng the space.

Every time they wake up in the morning and they see the thing they feel bad, over and over and over and over and there's nothing that could stop it. 

They can't tolerate anything that is perceived imperfect or broken, like a scratch on the wall, their car has an extremely minor accident like some small paint missing, the table can't be empty yet it cannot be cluttered, things cannot remain the same either because then it becomes stale. Having the living room organized in a specific way for too long causes dullness that that needs to be rearranged for the next satisfaction.

All attempts to communicate metacognition to this person is met with defensiveness and deflection. "I DONT LIKE it PERIOD!" They cant see beyond that. 

I feel like growing up means letting go of this obsession with perfection 

Edited yesterday at 03:41 PM by integral

[integral]

chronic suffering from an environment that is by any reasonable standard fine.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:18 PM by integral

[Inliytened1]

That is horrible.  Are you going through this with someone close? I feel your pain.  I have someone i am very close with struggling with OCD and Bipolar disorder and is afraid to take meds because of their OCD.  It's a horrible suffering.

Edited yesterday at 04:26 PM by Inliytened1

[integral]

45 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is horrible.  Are you going through this with someone close? I feel your pain.  I have someone i am very close with struggling with OCD and Bipolar disorder and is afraid to take meds because of their OCD.  It's a horrible suffering.

i am, but i dont know if its OCD, im so used to it it just seems like its there value system?

I get the impression everyone lives like this, they have their fixed values married to their ego and then they on a daily basis have a negative emotion when ever they face there values conflicting in the real world. 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

i am, but i dont know if its OCD, im so used to it it just seems like its there value system?

 

If absolutely is bro. Its a mental disorder that needs treatment.  The sad thing is that mental disorders often go without proper treatment. 

[Joseph Maynor]

Some people do have this tendency, they are very particular in wanting things to be a certain way.  

[Hojo]

I have this a bit. Its from growing up in horders house. Growing up in total chaos with no means of being able to change the environment.

Edited yesterday at 06:20 PM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

This is called OCD.

[Joseph Maynor]

Artistry is fundamentally misunderstood IMO.   

[Joseph Maynor]

What I mean to say, probably clearer, is that most people don't trust their own artistry.  

[Carl-Richard]

If your Te is strong enough, all clutter is an insult to your existence. I know a person like this. No shoes visible in the house, they're inside a closet. No places for hanging your coat, they also go in the closet or on the stairway if you're a visitor. They throw away 800$ speakers without asking if somebody wants them. Generally just throw away things like there is no tomorrow (or past, they seem to keep only a bare minimum things from the past). "Nothing is better than an empty shed!" (direct translated quote).

Everything in their house is super efficient: one switch turns on all the lights in the house, the kitchen is organized with extreme care for where things are located (dishes only travel a meter from the dishwasher to the dish drawer), "tall freezers with shelves", the kitchen drawers can be opened by pushing them rather than pulling them (and they have brakes when you close them so you can just send them and they're almost inaudible). "This thing is incredible" (talking about their central heating unit). All rooms, doors and walls are extremely well-insulated.

[Leo Gura]

An underdeveloped mind seeks control in order to feel safe. So it looks for control over trivial aspects of Reality like light switches or kitchen drawers.

Edited 15 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

An underdeveloped mind seeks control in order to feel safe. So it looks for control over trivial aspects of Reality like light switches or kitchen drawers.

Or they just want to go very fast from A to B.

They have problems sitting still on a beach. "Underdeveloped" or perhaps tormented. I suspect some response to or unresolved childhood trauma is involved (they witnessed their father die in front of them when young, they were alone and started CPR, the paramedics said "you did well" yet their father never returned).

It's something about coming very close to death when you're young that could make you very "death-like" (Shiva the Destroyer, "now we let this thing die and this other thing live", out with the old, in with the new, A -> B, throw away that, focus on this, shaping reality over engaging deeply with a single aspect, pruning, shaving off, rather than embracing, including, becoming rather than being, pursuit rather than presence).

Edited 15 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[WonderSeeker]

18 hours ago, integral said:

So having aesthetic intelligence is important, but that's not what I'm talking about right now.

A person who has an Unhealthy aesthetic oriented mindset is emotionally disgusted and cannot live in an environment that lacks certain aesthetic things. Things in the home must be ordered in a specific way and have a specific beauty to them or else it's intolerable and they suffer.

For example, somewhere in the house, there's a computer and there's some ugly wires hanging out, well this is like a splinter in the mind, disgusted and incapable of having this computer there ugllyfieng the space.

Every time they wake up in the morning and they see the thing they feel bad, over and over and over and over and there's nothing that could stop it. 

They can't tolerate anything that is perceived imperfect or broken, like a scratch on the wall, their car has an extremely minor accident like some small paint missing, the table can't be empty yet it cannot be cluttered, things cannot remain the same either because then it becomes stale. Having the living room organized in a specific way for too long causes dullness that that needs to be rearranged for the next satisfaction.

All attempts to communicate metacognition to this person is met with defensiveness and deflection. "I DONT LIKE it PERIOD!" They cant see beyond that. 

I feel like growing up means letting go of this obsession with perfection 

I used to be this way. Scolded many old roommates for not keeping up with cleaning.

After a while I learned to let go of needing things to look 'perfect'. You can easily waste loads of precious consciousness on myopic bullshit if you're not careful.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Or the person just like things efficient,clean and organized. Why it need to always be a failure  why not a gift? Of course the crave to make the whole world clean,organized can be madness but a good organized environment is great to have. I say this by expericencing living with a lot of disorganized, messy, cluttered people. 

[gettoefl]

Some impress overlords. Some impress underlings. Others impress their inner Narcissus. It's all the same thing. It's the thought, I have my shit together. It's by turns conscious deception and by turns unconscious deception. 

The way to solve it is to be proud to bring to the table your warts, your wrinkles, your wobbles. Celebrate them. Let people know, you don't know a thing and don't have your shit together. You are making shit up as you go along. Just like I am doing in writing this. I know nothing. Even better, I don't need to know anything.

Edited 12 hours ago by gettoefl

[integral]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

If your Te is strong enough, all clutter is an insult to your existence. 

My Te is strong but by it being strong it means I'm in full control of it and it doesn't control me.

In my place, I have one plate one bowl one fork, i dont put them back in the drawer because I use them every day.

Putting them in the drawer and even having drawers is an inefficiency, why would I want to open and close the drawer?

People have drawers because they want to hide things to keep it clean, that "cleanness" is a intolerance, an emotional resistance, and the experience of clutter. Clutter is something that people experience and suffer from.

I can have a messy home and it means nothing to me. But my Te is very strong, Everything is optimized for the least steps.

An empty shed is not an efficient shed, that's an intolerance to clutter. But I do prefer emptiness over clutter, and will choose the least amount of stuff as possible. I would make my house a big open space when nothing in it lol so I could run freely.

It becomes a problem when the environment is perfectly fine and everyday they find something they can't tolerate and has to change.

If my bowl is in the drawer I don't suffer everyday because of it.

Edited 8 hours ago by integral

[integral]

3 hours ago, WonderSeeker said:

After a while I learned to let go of needing things to look 'perfect'. You can easily waste loads of precious consciousness on myopic bullshit if you're not careful.

It's interesting how you let that go, because the people I'm observing with this issue cannot let it go, they cannot be even told that they have a problem, they experience it as "the world should be" and they fight everyday to get it.

If something is disorderly the experience is "I am tolerating this" and then they have an ego of "I'm such a tolerant person for allowing this".

Edited 8 hours ago by integral

[Davino]

Sounds like OCD, but it could be mania as well.

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

An underdeveloped mind seeks control in order to feel safe. So it looks for control over trivial aspects of Reality like light switches or kitchen drawers.

I don't think that's the full picture, many times it's more about brain wiring than underdevelopment. Although development may worsen or improve that given predisposition.

[Joseph Maynor]

This is where it is important to understand your MBTI.  So for me it is Ni dominant with an Fe subdominant.  For others it might be a Ti dominant with an Ne subdominant.