The dumbest collective shit test

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

She's probably an uninteresting sociopath

Healthier than entire porn industry at least 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edited 5 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Jirh]

@LordFall No, I genuinely just don't feel the romantic spark until I'm close and intimate with the girl (requires knowing her on a soul level), and by necessity that doesn't happen instantly. It happens with time and proximity. Deep feelings develop over time. That's just how it worked for me. I'm attracted to authenticity and vulnerability. Pickup, small talk, and one night stand offer neither.

I tired pickup but didn't have much success with it. It doesn't feel compatible with my biology. Like I'm forcing something to happen that shouldn't. Even if a girl approached me (and it happened before I even tried pickup), I couldn't operate under that paradigm.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, something_else said:

It's how I got to over 100 partners, lol

Never had an STD, unwanted pregnancy, and I've also had two healthy long term (3+ year) relationships as well.

Its  mysterious to me how the mind of someone who would wanna do that with so many people works...

[integral]

4 minutes ago, LordFall said:

People's personalities are very weak and malleable. If you were truly a solid in yours(not saying that I'm fully there yet) then their nonsense would roll off of you and you would be able to put clear boundaries where the problematic behaviours lie and inspire towards elevating themselves if you could successfully demonstrate that your perspective is truly higher consciousness. 

Yes it's possible some of the time. Most people do not change in relationships and they will always default back to their unhealthy state weekly.

So it always ends up being a game of repeating the same boundaries over and over again. It never sticks.

This is why you have to find mature people to date and be highly selective.

It's not good enough to be mature yourself.

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Jirh said:

@LordFall No, I genuinely just don't feel the romantic spark until I'm close and intimate with the girl (requires knowing her on a soul level), and by necessity that doesn't happen instantly. It happens with time and proximity. Deep feelings develop over time. That's just how it worked for me. I'm attracted to authenticity and vulnerability. Pickup, small talk, and one night stand offer neither.

I tired pickup but didn't have much success with it. It doesn't feel compatible with my biology. Like I'm forcing something to happen that shouldn't. Even if a girl approached me (and it happened before I even tried pickup), I couldn't operate under that paradigm.

That's fair I assume you're an introvert. I would try your hand at social circle game. It allows you to cater an environment over time and meet women on your terms doing stuff you enjoy doing and are good at. You can read more about it in social circle thread. If you don't do that and just wait for the time you magically are in an environment with women long term that you are attracted to that are also attracted to you then you'll probably wait a long time.

@Schizophonia I would be careful in assuming negative characteristics to attractive women that you can't get. In my experience famous hot women influencers are really cool and have beautiful feminine energy, they just have access to a lot of top men and thus are guarded with their energy and time. Easy to fall sour grapes part which is just getting bitter instead of getting better. 
 

@Sugarcoat I’ve slept with around 50 women and I feel like I’ve barely started to experience them. So many dynamics and different types of women to explore. I’ve mostly slept with women in Toronto and Calgary. Women are drastically different depending on where they are so doing a world I could easily add 100 body count right there. Plus different dynamics, I’ve mostly done standard monogamy or one night stands or FWBs.
 

I started working with women recently through hosting a fashion show and helping musicians with their content strategy and that’s such a fun dynamic. It allows me to express my masculinity in a way that’s so deep I highly recommend every man tries it.

I’ve also never really experienced multiple women together and if having sex/hanging out with one woman you like is amazing then finding two women you like a lot and watching them fuck eachother and you fucking both of them must be amazing. I also love social dynamics so I would love to build a polycule with many people.

I also want to experience with BDSM dynamics and specifically from a position of abundance seems a lot of doms I see are like larping as a dominant entity but are just a regular dude in regular life. So I wanna be able to build all of this from a position of financial and social abundance and also be able to share that with the woman and men I bring into my intimate life. 
 

When I had my last serious girlfriend I felt a deep sadness that I would settle down without experiencing all of this so after we broke up I slept with like 20 women since and as I said I’ve barely started to scratch that itch also building status is very fun to experience compared to cold approach. People come to you and are excited about getting to know me instead of having to try hard to meet them so I’m also excited to experience fame game.
 

That’s why I say people that claim to have been there and done that by sleeping with a few people are delusional lol, it’s an infinite area of life to pursue and enjoy.  

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[Schizophonia]

35 minutes ago, LordFall said:

 

@Schizophonia I would be careful in assuming negative characteristics to attractive women that you can't get. In my experience famous hot women influencers are really cool and have beautiful feminine energy, they just have access to a lot of top men and thus are guarded with their energy and time. Easy to fall sour grapes part which is just getting bitter instead of getting better. 
 

I understand; I said that about Sophie Rain’s case in particular because she has an only fan, and pretends being virgin and Christian.

[integral]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

When I had my last serious girlfriend I felt a deep sadness that I would settle down without experiencing all of this

These are your values, your putting sex above everything else.

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

That’s why I say people that claim to have been there and done that by sleeping with a few people are delusional lol, it’s an infinite area of life to pursue and enjoy.  

I have no interest in having sex with as many women as possible. What a waste of time.

This whole framing projects one set of values without any realization that it has nothing to do with the life purpose other people want to have. The criticism of other people for not "expressing their masculinity" the way a "real man" is supposed to live, that's just one narrow idea of how to live, presented as if it were universal.

It's the same as someone who wants a bunch of nice cars and a nice house and the bling bling lifestyle. There's nothing wrong with that, but it has nothing to do with the life purpose or the lifestyle other people actually want.

And it proves my point: body count is about hookup-culture brain and the incompatibility that has with other types of lifestyles and values.

I cannot express how little value I get from speaking to people. Talking to people in real life is a profound waste of time because they don't care about what is true and they're repeating a script Society has taught them how to act and role play and they're there to just get vibe. So to be It's like standing there listening to someone say absolutely nothing, and then having to fake that I enjoy what they're saying.

That dynamic doesn't register for hookup-culture brain, value comes from other people because there's something to be gotten from them. Getting vibe/fun.

Every time I have sex with my girlfriend it's better than the last time, and it was already God-level after the first month. She has no idea how it's possible for it to keep improving nonstop. I feel no interest at all in having sex with random people I have no connection with.

Edited 2 hours ago by integral

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I understand; I said that about Sophie Rain’s case in particular because she has an only fan, and pretends being virgin and Christian.

She's 21 and making millions, I wouldn't blame her for not being the highest integrity person on earth. If you look at her speak in podcasts like the recent one with Graham Stephan she seems like a thoughtful and smart young woman. On the one with Howie Mandel and his wife he seems to be the one behaving weirdly and being resentful and toxic in my view. 

@integral You don't need to want to sleep with many women, if you're happy in your relationship that's phenomenal. I'm saying that the way you speak about people sounds defeatist and jaded. Also it seems like coping because instead of putting your lack of communication skills and leadership at the forefront you blame people for being underdeveloped. Especially since we're on a forum to raise our consciousness made by a man who raised his consciousness and acted as a leader for people to raise theirs as well. Seems like a sad perspective coming from a moderator. I think you should both give people more credit and yourself as well in terms of being able to influence people positively! 

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[integral]

26 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Also it seems like coping because instead of putting your lack of communication skills and leadership at the forefront you blame people for being underdeveloped.

No, I'm explaining my lifestyle which doesn't fit with your lifestyle.

I did not say your lifestyle is wrong. There's diversity and high consciousness does not make you a leader that could transform every girlfriend you come with the contact with into a mature flower... because that's an idealistic dream that isnt impractical and doesn't actually work in practice

Your highest value is you want to be a leader that sleeps with three bisexual women at the same time while maintaining beautiful relationships with them.

There's nothing wrong with that, but this is a projection thinking that high consciousness means this

Why would your lifestyle and your values represent "high consciousness" 

Can you understand the projection that you're doing?

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Theres a Completely misunderstanding of why im appointed to this. You literally enjoy it and I do not and I never will. When I speak to people, they all like me and they enjoy speaking to me and I don't. My problem is not to be a lack of a leader or to be antisocial or that I'm upset that I can't make people happy around me so I can't sleep with a bunch of people. I'm explaining that I don't enjoy it because it's all a superficial game to me because that is who I am as a person and you're a completely different person with completely different values that enjoy completely different things.

Edited 1 hour ago by integral

[LordFall]

Part of it is finding people that are open to change. Part of it is also having a wide network and reach so you can find quality women that are already living in a conscious way that just want a greater adventure to join. 

I didn't say it was my highest value, we're just talking about dating life here. I enjoy creating communities and helping people figuring out systems that they wouldn't have trouble figuring out on their own. I run multiple creative communities and business chats. It's high consciousness because I use system thinking to raise up myself and the people I interact with and have to utilize massive amounts of understanding and empathy to connect to people and understand both their goals and their limitations. Each time someone thanks me for an insight or help that I've helped them with it feels quite fulfilling. Doing it inside of an intimate relationship is even more rewarding. 

I wasn't necessarily talking about you when talking about being delusional. If you know yourself and are happy with your relationship and impact on the world then you've won your life there isn't much else to say. Personally I am not and have much more to accomplish in many areas. I was talking about people like @Valach and others in the thread and in society as a whole that make blanket statements on systems they don't really understand and try to come at it from a higher than thou perspective while clearly being intermediate in their journey. 

[integral]

29 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Part of it is finding people that are open to change. Part of it is also having a wide network and reach so you can find quality women that are already living in a conscious way that just want a greater adventure to join. 

I didn't say it was my highest value, we're just talking about dating life here. I enjoy creating communities and helping people figuring out systems that they wouldn't have trouble figuring out on their own. I run multiple creative communities and business chats. It's high consciousness because I use system thinking to raise up myself and the people I interact with and have to utilize massive amounts of understanding and empathy to connect to people and understand both their goals and their limitations. Each time someone thanks me for an insight or help that I've helped them with it feels quite fulfilling. Doing it inside of an intimate relationship is even more rewarding. 

I wasn't necessarily talking about you when talking about being delusional. If you know yourself and are happy with your relationship and impact on the world then you've won your life there isn't much else to say. Personally I am not and have much more to accomplish in many areas. I was talking about people like @Valach and others in the thread and in society as a whole that make blanket statements on systems they don't really understand and try to come at it from a higher than thou perspective while clearly being intermediate in their journey. 

That makes sense, I don't know the situation with valach, there's plenty people coming at this from disgust of people because they're not getting their needs met from them.

We moved far away from the main conversation which was body count.

The main point I made was that hook up culture brain is not compatible with partnership brain and that's one of the major reasons people don't like body count. And that body count represent something specific about the person and why you wouldn't want to date them.

"wanting to sleep with women across multiple cities, build a polycule, experience BDSM from abundance" perfectly fine that you want this and it's completely incompatible with the kind of partnership most people need that aren't highly social butterflies that have the exact same desire and lifestyle as you. 

You can't do normal dating like this, you're going to find someone with the exact same lifestyle as you.

So we can see how this whole lifestyle which caused someones high body count, all links back to the fact that body count has some meaning and it's not completely arbitrary

lifestyle → high count → meaning → compatibility

Edited 37 minutes ago by integral

[LordFall]

I agree with you. I think a lot of people demonize bodycount because of a sour grapes situation more than anything factual though. Generally it comes from men not knowing how to sleep with a lot of women/attractive women or men that can but then end up mistrusting and fundamentally not knowing how to vet a quality partner. Let alone the hypocritical influencers that are hypersexual but then demonize women that are also promiscuous. 

Even if we go away towards the topic of bodycount and sex and more towards love, people are scared to death of that as well! My favourite insight towards this is when Dr Helen Fisher set out to study love and break it down scientifically for her phd, she was highly discouraged from researching it and one peer review literally told her it's unstudiable as it's part of the supernatural lol. Good interview to watch overall.