Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Elliott]

The gullible people are you guys that think people believe Leo can turn into E.T.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

The gullible people are you guys that think people believe Leo can turn into E.T.

Alien Mind is beyond the physical universe or anything human.

Human transforming into an physical alien on planet earth is a cartoonish fantasy of what is actually being pointed to:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/alien-consciousness-visualization

Edited July 6 by Yimpa

[zurew]

No, no there is no coping around this.

Its very clear what Leo claimed here. 

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How about you guys chill and just trust me on this?

I will show you Alien Awakening that will absolutely blow your mind. When I finally post it on Youtube, people's jaws will drop. My Awakening will contradict 5000 years of spiritual teaching. And it won't just be words, you will visually see me morph into an Alien Intelligence. And if I don't, then you can call out my bullshit.

Until then, sit tight.

There are an Infinite number of different types of Awakenings and an Infinite number of different types of Absolute Love. Everything I am talking about is Absolute. Nothing conceptual.

 

Edited July 6 by zurew

[Yimpa]

@zurew Thank you for sharing. This is also important context to add:

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And in the meantime I don't want a bunch of drama, demonization, and debate swirreling around me.

💀 

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This transition has been very emotionally draining on me. I basically had to face my own death and deepest fears.

Real knows real.

Edited July 6 by Yimpa

[Elliott]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Actually, you are wrong. Read people's responses on the original thread.

There may be 1 or 2, but most were joking around.

[Elliott]

25 minutes ago, zurew said:

No, no there is no coping around this.

Its very clear what Leo claimed here. 

 

"Alien Awakening" "alien intelligence"

That does not mean a physical alien

Edited July 6 by Elliott

[Osaid]

24 minutes ago, zurew said:

No, no there is no coping around this.

Apparently there is lol

[zurew]

23 minutes ago, Elliott said:

"Alien Awakening"

That does not mean a physical alien

I love the cope.

What do you think this part means "And it won't just be words, you will visually see me morph into an Alien Intelligence."

But also here you go.

Will wait for how you cope your way out of this one

 

Edited July 6 by zurew

[Elliott]

13 minutes ago, zurew said:

I love the cope.

What do you think this part means "And it won't just be words, you will visually see me morph into an Alien Intelligence."

But also here you go.

Will wait for how you cope your way out of this one

 

 

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That's a joke

 

 

Edited July 6 by Elliott

[zurew]

38 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Apparently there is lol

This is getting very, very sad at this point.

So we have two posts where Leo is very explicit about this, and one of those posts is followed by another in which he talks about how debating this topic takes a toll on his psyche and that he is just trying to communicate it as authentically as possible.

On top of all that, you have Leo's "I'm not going to bend over backwards over your closed-mindedness." response to UnbornTao's callout.

And then you have "I'm not here to debate, I'm just here to understand perspectives, and I'm just here to frequently character assassinate everyone I disagree with" Elliott saying, "Hmm, I think he was just joking."

Edited July 6 by zurew

[Human Mint]

Boooring

[Osaid]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

This is getting very, very sad at this point.

So we have two posts where Leo is very explicit about this, and one of those posts is followed by another in which he talks about how debating this topic takes a toll on his psyche and that he is just trying to communicate it as authentically as possible.

On top of all that, you have Leo's "I'm not going to bend over backwards over your closed-mindedness." response to UnbornTao's callout.

And then you have "I'm not here to debate, I'm just here to understand perspectives, and I'm just here to frequently character assassinate everyone I disagree with" Elliott saying, "Hmm, I think he was just joking."

I think everything is objectively pretty clear. It's just a common tactic here to backpedal super hard I guess. That moment when Leo was like "I said I might be wrong so actually I'm right" was pretty insane.

EQ is being able to tell when someone doesn't actually care about the topic, though.

[zurew]

25 minutes ago, Osaid said:

EQ is being able to tell when someone doesn't actually care about the topic, though.

That’s a fair criticism. I got baited (although I don’t think baiting applies to Yimpa — I think Yimpa is a good, well-intentioned person).

Edited July 6 by zurew

[Human Mint]

When you realize Alien Consciousness was there all along waiting for you to tap into it:

[Osaid]

6 minutes ago, zurew said:

That’s a fair criticism. I got baited (although I don’t think that applies to Yimpa — I think Yimpa is a good, well-intentioned person).

Sometimes even if the other person doesn't seem to care I'll still say something so other people can read it. I think I've said everything I wanted to, though.

Edited July 6 by Osaid

[Elliott]

This is exactly what they did to the first-coming of Leo (Jesus/E.T.)

Edited July 6 by Elliott

[jimwell]

Leo is not a narcissist or a cult leader. It’s absurd to think that he is.

But he does have narcissistic traits. That doesn’t mean such traits are bad. In fact, they can be good. You need self‑trust, self‑confidence, and a desire to be unique and stand out to accomplish great things. If Leo didn’t have such characteristics, there would be no Actualized.org.

Leo is a genuine top‑level philosopher, epistemologist, and mystic who deserves respect. That doesn’t mean he is perfect. I have seen many errors from him over the years. I don’t remember all of them, but recently he claimed that OCD is a coping mechanism for underdeveloped minds to feel safe. That’s a weak insight. Obviously, most underdeveloped minds don’t suffer from OCD. OCD is the result of genetic predisposition, childhood trauma, and certain personality types. I even think people with OCD are more intelligent than those without it.

OCD is the ultimate form of perfectionism. People who deeply desire the highest quality of work often exhibit OCD tendencies during the process. They become perfectionists. They can’t even sleep at night if they notice any imperfection. This applies to nearly all high‑level traders, directors, authors, software programmers, musicians, designers, and others. It’s either perfection, or they suffer from anxiety and restlessness. OCD is painful.

Leo also tends to exaggerate things. And it seems his integrity is not high enough for a spiritual teacher. I think he should have clearly explained why he wasn’t able to heal himself after claiming he would through awakening. Also, that alien awakening claim was horrible. Where was the video of him transforming into alien intelligence? If it’s not possible, then own it and explain. That’s a true show of integrity. I don’t think he should have made a video about integrity, because his embodiment of such an important characteristic is not strong enough.

The reason Leo tends to make exaggerated claims is that he lacks experiential knowledge and embodiment. He is very good at conceptual comprehension. But experiential knowledge and comprehension are superior to conceptual and theoretical ones.

It’s comical that many, or even most, of his moderators turn on him. I have seen this pattern repeat for many years. He freely chose his disciples and generals, but they end up “betraying” him. It’s clear that his epistemic judgment in this aspect is weak. I wonder why moderators who think Leo is a narcissist, cult leader, or someone worthy of caution accepted their roles to begin with. If they realized this only after becoming moderators, then why not quit?

I appreciate @puporing for showing integrity. When they discovered or believed that Leo was a horrible spiritual teacher, she quit. She walked her talk.   

[aurum]

All the critiques being leveled at Leo in this thread rest on top of the assumption that he is wrong.

That is the actual red line.

You're not mad because he called you close-minded. You're mad because you think you're openminded.

You're not mad because he claimed he was the standard for epistemology. You're mad because you think he isn't.

You're not mad because he claimed he was more awake than other spiritual teachers. You're mad because you don't believe it.

You're not mad because he claimed he understood God better than you. You're mad because you don't think he does.

The ultimate red line question is this: what is God????

Everything in this debate hinges on how you answer that question.

[Sincerity]

4 hours ago, jimwell said:

It’s comical that many, or even most, of his moderators turn on him. I have seen this pattern repeat for many years. He freely chose his disciples and generals, but they end up “betraying” him. It’s clear that his epistemic judgment in this aspect is weak. I wonder why moderators who think Leo is a narcissist, cult leader, or someone worthy of caution accepted their roles to begin with. If they realized this only after becoming moderators, then why not quit?

Nahh that’s not true I think. Most Mods simply went/go inactive, most probably due to personal life stuff. In terms of those openly turning on Leo in a continual manner in forum history, you could likely count them on two hands at most. But it’s still a definite minority. (I’ve been around since 2019 like you.)

And Mods are no disciples/generals lol. We just clean up this place a bit. It’s not like we can’t have our own views.

Edited July 6 by Sincerity

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, jimwell said:

It’s comical that many, or even most, of his moderators turn on him. I have seen this pattern repeat for many years. He freely chose his disciples and generals, but they end up “betraying” him. It’s clear that his epistemic judgment in this aspect is weak. I wonder why moderators who think Leo is a narcissist, cult leader, or someone worthy of caution accepted their roles to begin with. If they realized this only after becoming moderators, then why not quit?

You realize people can use the forum in ways that isn’t centered around Leo’s work?