Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Wilhelm44]

27 minutes ago, zurew said:

I updated my post.

You can disagree , but your point does not address the issues that I outlined.

From now on its on Leo to actually respond to those points if he wants to.

I only address the points I feel I can speak to you.

And you're right, the DM's and that kind of stuff is between you and Leo.

But please refrain from labelling everyone who doesn't agree with the cult accusations as suck ups. 

Edited 41 minutes ago by Wilhelm44

[zurew]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But please refrain from labelling everyone who doesn't agree with cult accusations as suck ups. 

I dont label them as suckups  - I label those as suckups who not just frequently glaze Leo , but those who buy into Leo's idea that he is the most conscious being in the Universe and I refer to people and moderators here who label people "closed minded" who dont want to blindly buy into that idea and im talking about people who almost never ever make any serious criticism of Leo and who are willing to excuse all his behavior no matter what he does.

Edited 35 minutes ago by zurew

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

I dont label them as suckups  - I label those as suckups who not just frequently glaze Leo , but those who buy into Leo's idea that he is the most conscious being in the Universe and I refer to people and moderators here who label people "closed minded" who dont want to blindly buy into that idea and im talking about people who almost never ever make any serious criticism of Leo and who are willing to excuse all his behavior no matter what he does.

Does anyone here actually truly buy into the idea that Leo is without a doubt the most conscious being on the planet ? 

I don't think I've ever seen anyone here literally agreeing with that claim.

It's natural to put the teacher on a bit of a pedestal when we start out.

And then we outgrow that phase.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone here literally agreeing with that claim.

I agree I do not think it IS literally agreed to - openly at least. It's the underlying message that is threaded through all communication (and the one you raised) when backed into a corner "I am above you". Authority. This is doubled down on as well. Exemplified in the "Who wants actualized.org retreats?" thread and the offshoot discussion about enlightenment and it's existence. Not sure if you guys recall that one. 

Deferring to the teachings would be the correct way, instead of inserting oneself into them. 

Edited 15 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I agree I do not think it IS literally agreed to - openly at least. It's the underlying message that is threaded through all communication (and the one you raised) when backed into a corner "I am above you". Authority. This is doubled down on as well. Exemplified in the "Who wants actualized.org retreats?" thread and the offshoot discussion about enlightenment and it's existence. Not sure if you guys recall that one. 

Deferring to the teachings would be the correct way, instead of inserting oneself into them. 

Yeah, I would need more information about the details of these conversations to be able to comment.

For example, what was the actual disagreement about in each case.

Another example: if it's a disagreement that just keeps going around in circles, then Leo kind of has the right to invoke his authority here, it is his school after all.

But yeah, one would need transcripts of the actual conversations, otherwise we're just speculating.