Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok I can chime in too, because I feel the need to 

That @Zurew guy was really good, very intellectually skilled guy with valuable contributions, that’s not fair to ban him imo. 
 

I have supported Leo gura, but ofc I don’t agree with it all. Maybe somewhere I have sounded like I am contradicting myself but it can happen to anyone 
 

Yea I just wanted to say that in support of your response 

 

I appreciate that you're able to see that.

[Sugarcoat]

 

53 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat 

You’re overlooking something pretty obvious: people grow. That’s the whole point of doing the work.

Leo is the perfect example. Years ago he was saying there was no God because he was an atheist and his view of enlightenment was basically standard Buddhist “no-self.”   Fast forward to today and he’s shiting on those  positions and  talking about God and claiming there are endlessly deeper levels of awakening.

So why would anyone expect me to be the same person I was ten years ago?

Life doesn’t ask for your permission to change you. Life forces you into growth . If you don’t grow and stagnate then you’re as good as dead.

You wrote that post 31 March, it's not so old. 

You speak as if you had some Ramana Maharsi type sudden breakthrough since then

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[Sugarcoat]

26 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I appreciate that you're able to see that.

Thanks you too for your sharings 

"UnmoddedTao"

(last one I swear)

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[UnbornTao]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Thanks you too for your sharings 

"UnmoddedTao"

The Tao that can be unmodded is not the Eternal Tao.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

The Tao that can be unmodded is not the Eternal Tao.

💯💯

[Someone here]

37 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

You wrote that post 31 March, it's not so old. 

You speak as if you had some Ramana Maharsi type sudden breakthrough since then

Why are you keeping a close eye on me anyways if you don’t like my stuff ? 
I don’t want to say I had an enlightenment experience because  really that’s not how it should be worded . 
but yes I’m seeing an enlightened guru and getting coached one on one by him  and he explained to me the whole   Shebang and guided me through direct meditation and communication. 

also I do my homework. I watch Leo’s lectures (and all famous spiritual teachers ) and take notes and even categorize his different videos on different files on my laptop .  So I’m not just hanging out on the forum . I also learned a lot and gained theoretical understanding of these kinds of things . You want to me to spend all this time engaging with these things without gaining understanding?

as I said the anger is baked into my genetics .just like if I see a porn video I’m going to have an erection . There is literally nothing “ I “ can do here . Because part of the realization is that the body is off in its own world . I’m not the body . Yes I still get angry and fight with my big brother. 

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[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Why are you keeping a close eye on me anyways if you don’t like my stuff ? 
I don’t want to say I had an enlightenment experience because  really that’s not how it should be worded . 
but yes I’m seeing an enlightened guru and getting coached one on one by him  and he explained to me the whole   Shebang and guided me through direct meditation and communication. 

also I do my homework. I watch Leo’s lectures (and all famous spiritual teachers ) and take notes and even categorize his different videos on different files on my laptop .  So I’m not just hanging out on the forum . I also learned a lot and gained theoretical understanding of these kinds of things . You want to me to spend all this time engaging with these things without gaining understanding?

as I said the anger is baked into my genetics .just like if I see a porn video I’m going to have an erection . There is literally nothing “ I “ can do here . Because part of the realization is that the body is off in its own world . I’m not the body . Yes I still get angry and fight with my big brother. 

I don't keep extra close eye on you in comparison to others, except now that I looked up your post to make a statement, because I reacted to your seemingly harsh tone towards the Zurew guy, in contrast to the benevolent sounding enlightenment talk in other posts that I remember. 

Ok, I see, your response now changed the picture a bit. 

You say there is nothing you can do about those behaviors. That's a belief right? Because it can be true that it's "baked into genetics", and it is not fully in control, but that doesn't prove that there is no control at all, right? 

I would think about this: Do you experience some kind of sense of self? You imply you have no control at all, is that your actual experience really? If not, what's the point in saying it as if you know it, if you don't experience it like that? Maybe that idea isn't helping you as much as you think, or perhaps there is another way of going about it that would be even more effective. 

 

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[Stick]

whats the alien recording that yall are talking bout

[Jirh]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

No I’m not . in truth there is no one who can claim he’s enlightened enough and speaks as an authority. Because enlightenment is the very seeing through the illusion of the separate self which is seeking to attain enlightenment.  
The one you’re talking to you right now and trying to expose or decipher whether he’s enlightened or not isn’t even real .  So who’s enlightened ?

If what you're saying is true, then enlightenment is the natural state of everyone. But clearly, it's not.

It's good that you're learning to be more aware and authentic and truthful and transparent. Most people never and will never have that kind of self-honesty and self-awareness that you have. But still, that doesn't mean you have a clear picture of enlightenment (self-realization).

The problem with the idea you're presenting is that it paints enlightenment as a pointless temporary chase that you should just drop and move on.

In reality, that idea is like trying to win a race without running the track. You just take one step back before the start/finish line, then one step forward, then you've magically won.

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[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

You say there is nothing you can do about those behaviors. That's a belief right? Because it can be true that it's "baked into genetics", and it is not fully in control, but that doesn't prove that there is no control at all, right? 

This question about control is really not so advanced. There is no spiritual teacher or spiritual teaching that doesn’t address this issue of control . And more importantly the answer is readily obvious in your experience.

For whom is there control or there’s not control ? For you .. isn’t it ? The claim is that this “you “ is an illusion. 

If the separate self is an illusion then free will belongs to no one.  So the question itself is based on a false premise . It’s impossible to answer whether you have  control or no control if there isn’t a you in the first place .

When I say “there is no you “ it’s more accurate to say “there is no separate you “. You exist but not as a separate entity separate from the rest of reality making choices independently. 
 

regarding your question about spiritual teachers. All the famous ones ..dead and alive . Rupert Spira ..Eckhart Tolle ..Osho ..Nisargadatta Maharaj..Ramana Maharshi..Robert Adams..Jim Newman ..Adi Shankara etc

 

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[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I'm sorry to see Zurew go, but was he ever going to be able to let this go ?

Zurew knew the potential outcome, but sometimes integrity requires sacrifice.

The smartest and most spiritually attuned people on the forum eventually end up getting banned. That's the pattern.

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Jirh said:

If what you're saying is true, then enlightenment is the natural state of everyone. But clearly, it's not.

Lol.

enlightenment is the natural state of everyone and everything . 
I’m not going to argue . There is no arguing. There is either you know who you are or you don’t .

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[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

most spiritually attuned people on the forum

How do you know this ?

[Jirh]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Lol.

enlightenment is the natural state of everyone and everything . 
I’m not going to argue . There is no arguing. There is either you know who you are or you don’t .

No more theory for you.

No more teachings. No more teachers.

You must kill the Buddha.

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[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How do you know this ?

@Nahm is pretty spiritually attuned, the dozens of other people he banned (who spoke unapologetically about non-duality and called out Leo on his behavior early when it started to spiral downwards), and also those who conspired together with Nahm to create a new forum (and subsequently got banned). To me, the post-2021 era was a spiritual dark age for the forum and we're still living through it.

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[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Nahm is pretty spiritually attuned, the dozens of other people he banned (who spoke unapologetically about non-duality and called out Leo on his behavior early when it started to spiral downwards), and also those who conspired together with Nahm to create a new forum (and subsequently got banned). To me, the post-2021 forum was a spiritual dark age for the forum and we're still living through it.

So it's like nonduality vs God realization 

What happened with Nahm's forum, is it still alive ?

[Human Mint]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Nahm is pretty spiritually attuned, the dozens of other people he banned (who spoke unapologetically about non-duality and called out Leo on his behavior early when it started to spiral downwards), and also those who conspired together with Nahm to create a new forum (and subsequently got banned). To me, the post-2021 forum was a spiritual dark age for the forum and we're still living through it.

Your life is more important than the forum.

[meta_male]

2 hours ago, Stick said:

whats the alien recording that yall are talking bout

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I'm sorry to see Zurew go, but was he ever going to be able to let this go ?

Or was he just going to throw mud on the classroom walls for all eternity.

Making claims about having an alien intelligence awakening doesn't mean it's a cult.

(Where are these victims who blindly followed Leo on that)

As I said earlier, Leo never claimed to be the perfect embodyment of all his teachings.

Yet this justice panel seemed to want to hold him to some standard of perfection.

 

 

What difference does it make if something is an illusion if from your POV it seems to be real? 

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What difference does it make if something is an illusion if from your POV it seems to be real? 

Not sure I understand the connection between your question and what I said there ?