Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Elliott]

Just to clarify, I don't consider you guys debating actualized being a cult as being manipulative or mean, I only interjected on the narcissism. I won't interject on a clean debate about being a cult, I meant it when I said I don't have any interest at all. I think the thread turned abusive toward Leo, is all.

[zurew]

On 2026. 06. 17. at 2:05 PM, Elliott said:

To me you guys @zurew @Joshe @Carl-Richard appear to be at the peak range of intelligence on this forum, have you considered that most of the other people on here might just have different behavior patterns than yourselves in general that look more 'cult following' monkey see monkey do than yourselves? Perhaps you're expecting less intelligent people to react in a similar manner that you three do to certain things, or are disturbed by behaviors that can just be attributed to lower intelligence.

We havent interacted much on this forum yet, but I dont really like comments like this.

It puts the mentioned people (us) in a bad position, regardless of whether I interpret your comment as sarcastic or not, and regardless of whether I reply or not.

1) If I interpret it in a sarcastic way and if I reply to it with that interpretation in mind, then its successful bait (if you tried to bait), 2) If I don’t reply, it might seem like I agree with the underlying premise, and 3) if I go with a non-sarcastic interpretation and try to explain myself why I disagree with the underlying premise, then it might come off as dishonest virtue-signaling (since you already elevated us in the sky and now I need to fight against that characterization and also against the characterization that 'other people who disagree with us perhaps have lower intelligence  compared to us to the point where their behavior disturbs us').

So it creates unnecessary tension between people and also warrants a response from the mentioned people, where they need to explain themselves for things they havent said or implied.

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I will go with the non-sarcastic interpretation.

Firstly, my honest answer to that is that I dont think that im more intelligent than other people here. You can pick IQ , you can pick spiral dynamics or other cognitive complexity chart or metric - it doesnt matter, I dont think that I will score higher than most people on this forum.

Secondly, I dont think that disagreements in general (on most topics) are explained by intelligence difference related factors. Experts, high IQ people with high cognitive complexity can always disagree with each other (we see this all the time) and I think that in the vast majority of the cases disagreements are explained by non-intelligence difference related factors  (And I think that applies in this situation as well).

Edited 22 hours ago by zurew

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, zurew said:

We havent interacted much on this forum yet, but I dont really like comments like this.

It puts the mentioned people (us) in a bad position, regardless of whether I interpret your comment as sarcastic or not, and regardless of whether I reply or not.

1) If I interpret it in a sarcastic way and if I reply to it with that interpretation in mind, then its successful bait (if you tried to bait), 2) If I don’t reply, it might seem like I agree with the underlying premise, and 3) if I go with a non-sarcastic interpretation and try to explain myself why I disagree with the underlying premise, then it might come off as dishonest virtue-signaling (since you already elevated us in the sky and now I need to fight against that characterization and also against the characterization that 'other people who disagree with us perhaps have lower intelligence  compared to us to the point where their behavior disturbs us').

So it creates unnecessary tension between people and also warrants a response from the mentioned people, where they need to explain themselves for things they havent said or implied.

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I will go with the non-sarcastic interpretation.

Firstly, my honest answer to that is that I dont think that im more intelligent than other people here. You can pick IQ , you can pick spiral dynamics or other cognitive complexity chart or metric - it doesnt matter, I dont think that I will score higher than most people on this forum.

Secondly, I dont think that disagreements in general (on most topics) are explained by intelligence difference related factors. Experts, high IQ people with high cognitive complexity can always disagree with each other (we see this all the time) and I think that in the vast majority of the cases disagreements are explained by non-intelligence difference related factors  (And I think that applies in this situation as well).

Cool cool

[Joseph Maynor]

There is definitely politics involved in any social relation.

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

There is definitely politics involved in any social relation.

Do any of those other ones have members that warn about the group being dangerous but then stay in it, posting in other threads like any other day?

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

There is definitely politics involved in any social relation.

"you just need to accept to be dead to be more polite"

Edited 4 hours ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[Joseph Maynor]

36 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Do any of those other ones have members that warn about the group being dangerous but then stay in it, posting in other threads like any other day?

Everyone is at a different stage of development.  

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Everyone is at a different stage of development.  

They're at the Steve Irwin stage

 

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

More drama here than I have between all the women in my life. 

And men aren't as emotional as woman? HA! 

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

More drama here than I have between all the women in my life. 

And men aren't as emotional as woman? HA! 

Lol.  You love it.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

14 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Lol.  You love it.  

It's delicious  

[Joseph Maynor]

35 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It's delicious  

Delicious and instructive too.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Delicious and instructive too.  

Very much so. I always look at these sorts of charged discussions in retrospect to juice out what I can do better. How it went wrong. How we can present ourselves and our arguments in a more neutral way.

Offense generally appears to be produced by content, framing, timing, and the listener’s identity and context.