Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[JoshB]

On 6/3/2026 at 6:39 PM, Inliytened1 said:

To me its a pursuit of Truth.  And let's face it not everyone is gonna make it with meditation.  So psychedelics are emphasized here.  I don't agree with Leo on everything.  And if this was a cult you and I would probably have been "quietly" dismissed by now.  I don't agree that psychedelics can give you a deeper enlightenment than meditation.  We differ in that awakening is awakening and it is Absolute.   There are not Infinite degrees of awakening.  There isn't some crazy alien state you can reach.i  do agree however that Consciousness is not human either it is Pure Spirit.  The human part is, as we know, this imaginary ego that co-opts Consciousness for itself.   So if you look back I've had plenty of arguments with Leo about this stuff.  And I'm still here.  His work is invaluable if someone actually wants to put in the time.  But be careful because you will lose your sanity and you just might not get it back.  This is stated.  Such is spirituality.  It is serious shit.  But normies don't understand any of this stuff so to them it appears crazy.  Of course.  That is how it should be. 

 

There are infinite degrees of awakening, why do you think so many people agree and disagree on what awakening is? If it was just a binary switch there would be a lot more agreement on what awakening is. Conciousness is Absolute and can become concious of absolutely every part of itself. I would also say that there are thresholds to awakening, you can awaken to life is a dream, self is other, nothing outside concious. And still not have the direct Conciousness you are God. Another one of those thresholds is realizing conciousness is absolute. 

Also you have never done pyschdelics let alone tryptimines. So how would you know that ? All of this is coming from your current state of conciousness that could change any moment with just a little alteration in your imaginary brain chemistry.

Edited 7 hours ago by JoshB

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

Dude what ?! Why would you want to be part of corruption? You and your friend are causing noise lately in accusing Leo of corruption. Why are you pussyfooting around it ? Ok case closed this is a cult in your mind then keep it to yourself. It obviously hurts Leo and people who look forward to him as a teacher to hear your constant bitching about how he did this and that in the past . Sounds like you are not even serious about you’re doing on top of that because you’re afraid to leverage up your position to just say farewell. If that’s not the purpose then what’s the purpose of what your doing regarding your posts about actualized being a cult ?

We're honestly discussing what a cult is and when people want to steer the discussion towards talking about negatives, that's what happens. That's a function of Leo insisting on defining cult as something negative and his minions constantly begging for any clue that could satisfy that definition.

Had this been my forum or had I been having this discussion in one of my earlier university classes, we would probably talk about how weird your beliefs really would have to be to be considered a cult, not the level of "brainwashing" or "mind control" is supposedly required (although that could be a side discussion about those kinds of cults).

My professor opened the discussion of cults saying "cults are not necessarily something bad, that's a common misconception" (paraphrasing). Leo has chosen a different route and that is reflected in his discussions. When he wants to project the notion of cult as something negative and something external to him, don't be surprised that when people disagree, that projection lands squarely back at himself.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Refusing to accept word definitions change and alter through time is a type of etymological fallacy. 

The term "cult" and any negative connotations it has, has evolved too, I my opinion. Especially with the advent of the internet. Language is descriptive, not prescriptive. And words have definitions based on how society uses them in context.

The word "nice" used to mean foolish, stupid, senseless. If we adopted that meaning.... Well. We would be walking around taking offense and dishing out insults in our own little bubble of reality.

[How to be wise]

A cult needs members, which Actualized doesn’t have anymore 

[Carl-Richard]

55 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The term "cult" and any negative connotations it has, has evolved too, I my opinion. Especially with the advent of the internet. Language is descriptive, not prescriptive. And words have definitions based on how society uses them in context.

Especially with the advent of the "cult" of best-selling books, which is less about academic rigor and more about what is most intriguing and disturbing, which is what the anti-cult movement where Leo gets his definition from plays on.

Of course cults are associated with "mind control" and "brainwashing" and "sexual/financial exploitation" in this context. That's what sells. Less people want to hear about cults that believe in slightly wacky things, more about evil boogeymen, mass murderers, rapists, psychopathic manipulators.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Of course cults are associated with "mind control" and "brainwashing" and "sexual/financial exploitation" in this context. That's what sells. Less people want to hear about cults that believe in slightly wacky things, more about evil boogeymen, mass murderers, rapists, psychopathic manipulators.

Which just so happens to play into self deception. By categorically dismissing what a cult could be, we discard having to critically assess whether we may be IN a cult or participating in cultish behaviour. Or whether we may actually have been (the horror and intellectual offence!) deceived ourselves.

Shutting down open debate is a way to avoid cognitive dissonance.

[Rigel]

How’s the masturbation going guys?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

28 minutes ago, Rigel said:

How’s the masturbation going guys?

Great! A true edge session 

@Carl-Richard, @zurew and I are working our way up to gooner status at the current rate