Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Natasha Tori Maru]

That Conner call was a serious rebuke that needed to be doled out.

[Monster Energy]

Leo and Connor as a duo could be extraordinary. Together, they could become one of the most influential spiritual partnerships on the internet.

 

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Leo and Connor as a duo

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Thank you for clarifying. That rings a bell. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Thought Art

[AION]

A cult is not an either/or diagnosis. People always think a cult is only when the leader exploits its members for money, sex and other stuff but that is not the case. A cult is usually something that tries to mimic the order of God, but it is always perverse, claims exclusive truth and egocentric like certain death cults who consciously or subconsciously push their members towards death.

Edited 16 hours ago by AION

[Miguel1]

@Thought Art Nice to see you back.

What got you back?

[Thought Art]

@Miguel1 I’m not 

I think I had a healthy break. I had to work through forgiveness with Leo on something too. 
 

Not sure to the extent I’m back. 

[Lyubov]

Call this place a cult, or not. His criticism is valid. This place is a dangerous for some people. Half the community are incels and unemployed people who haven't built a life for themselves and aren't fully grounded in themselves or their integrity. The teachings here are reckless. Leo has gotten better over the years with what he teaches, but his old library is still up. Leo is honestly super autistic and lacks maturity and wisdom to guide most people seriously in my opinion. You have to be able to keep up with his style and his chemistry and his ability to alter his state. And he is thinking of running a retreat with security armed with tasers, a tour up Mt Everest. I hope you're prepared for this because this is the one thing which if even the slightest thing goes wrong, your entire image will be fucked. The criticism is valid. Still Leo is an interesting person and a great writer and I do like him a lot, so his insights are really cool to read and learn from especially on certain topics I gravitate towards.

Oddly I don't come here for spiritual teachings, I come for insights more on life and new was of thinking/reasoning. You can split hairs calling this place a cult but yeah, Leo can be an unsafe person to lead. There are much safer and better people to learn psychedelic protocols from. A lot of unwell people will gravitate towards this personality type that lets one give up their responsibility and kowtow to a model and terms of thought that you should be sovereign and the center of yourself, your spirituality. I'm fine with videos like this. The average person should be aware that actualized.org is a dangerous place. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Lyubov

[lostingenosmaze]

@Lyubov Leo Gura when people annihilate themselves after saying annihilating actualized.org would be the most beautiful thing ever:

Edited 11 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[Cred]

55 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Leo is honestly super autistic

Wait you think Leo is autistic???? Whaaat?

[No1Here2c]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

The average person should be awares that actualized.org is a dangerous place. 

Leaving the house is a dangerous place. Being in the house is a dangerous place. Sleeping is a dangerous place. Hell, even your dreams are a dangerous location to your dream self. Welcome to limited existence. Pick your poison.

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

You have to be able to keep up with his style and his chemistry and his ability to alter his state. 

insights are really cool to read and learn from especially on certain topics I gravitate towards.

Everybody has personal style & chemistry. There is no obligation to 'keep up' as you might be able to tell by some of our members here :}

State alteration is not a requirement, but it sure is wicked useful.

Insights are cool, but that is only the tip of the insight iceberg. Insights go wayyyyy beyond cool. Insights can be awe inspiring, terrifying, beautiful, magical, unsettling, love inducing, disturbing, incredible, hellish, divine, good, bad, or indifferent. Insight can be survival assisting or stifle those abilities. It can be traumatizing, or healing in masterful ways. You could never imagine what insight is capable of without first having it, as insight itself is what lies beyond your current vision & imaginative capabilities. It is like breaking through into another layer of reality. Like living your entire life in two dimensions, suddenly to realize there is a third.

Edited 11 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Carl-Richard]

I think nobody here has even read the Wikipedia page on cults and are just having an emotional freakout to being called a cult.

When I learned about cults in uni, it was defined in contrast to sects in that sects create their own version of (and claim to be the "true version" of) some existing mainstream religious denomination, while cults essentially create their own kind of religion. Their beliefs are not tied to just one single religious denomination. They may synthesize many of them or simply create "their own beliefs" (if that's possible), often through the personal machinations of the leader.

And as a result, they end up being at odds with the surrounding society in some way. And that increases group cohesion, and especially when the leader is very charismatic and has self-proclaimed superiority over not just the members but perhaps the rest of the surrounding culture and society, that is where the psychological and group dynamics commonly associated with cults start to take form.

And before your mind goes to "but Actualized.org is not a religion", feel free to read the Wikipedia page on that too.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard That is not what defines a cult. A cult is a fringe group that uses deliberate mind control techniques to extract money, sex, and power from its user base. A cult is about abusing and exploiting its members in a pyramid like structure.

Fringe ideas does not a cult make.

Actualized is not a religion. If you don't understand that. then what do you understand?

It is shameful that I even need to explain this to anyone here.

The epistemic standards of Actualized.org are higher than anything found in science or academia or anything any YouTuber comprehends. The YouTubers who criticize me are epistemic morons and this should be obvious to anyone who studies my work. No one on Earth will teach you epistemology deeper than I will. That is, if you are willing to learn and aren't too cool for school.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Carl-Richard That is not what defines a cult. A cult is a fringe group that uses deliberate mind control techniques to extract money, sex, and power from its user base. A cult is about abusing and exploiting its members in a pyramid like structure.

No, that's your cult definition of a cult.

But I will agree the word "cult" is garbage, it's mostly used to sling poo at people you disagree with, and not all cults are super destructive and exploitative. And I'm not co-signing the garbage video above either.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

No, that's your cult definition of a cult.

No. That is the proper definition created by cult researcher and cult deprogramming expert Steven Hassan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hassan

You speak of things you don't even understand.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No. That is the proper definition created by cult researcher and cult deprogramming expert Steven Hassan.

You speak of things you don't even understand.

That definition seems to fall under the definition of "destructive cult".

Yeah yeah, I don't understand understand anything, only your perspective is right, not a cult.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

WOOOOOOH I MADE IT ON YOUTUBE

At the 11:25 minute mark, if you look closely, you can see my username. 

I'm famous!

[Leo Gura]

Just because you encounter ideas that you disagree with does not make a thing a cult. That is peak stupidity.

[Carl-Richard]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No one on Earth will teach you epistemology deeper than I will.

 

34 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

has self-proclaimed superiority over not just the members but perhaps the rest of the surrounding culture and society

May I politely offer an Earth-sized facepalm for me and the rest of the thread sir.

 

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The epistemic standards of Actualized.org are higher than anything found in science or academia

You can disagree about what scholars think cults mean without throwing all of scholars (but one, conveniently) under the bus regarding all of epistemology.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard I will throw every human under the bus on epistemology. If you don't like it, tough.

I am the standard of what counts as proper epistemology.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura