What does it take to become God?

[Thought Art]

@Eskilon It doesn’t teach God realization. Just google what it teaches and it won’t mention God. Buddhism teaches something important but it’s not God realization. 
 

Non-ordinary states have been witnessed by my consciousness which were not of this reality in this human survival domain. But, yes we are human trying to understand this. Smoke some NN-DMT and get ripped into infinity where no human exists and look back at yourself as an infinite and impossible object. Then ask a Buddhist about that. 
 

Anyway man! Figure it out yourself and make your own map and meaning! If you want to think Buddhism teaches God realization even though it’s not mentioned in any of its teachings go ahead. I don’t care. 
 

Go ask the most advanced, solely Buddhist practitioner if they are God, or what is God and see what they say. They might look at you like you are crazy if you say you are God. 
 

Buddhism teaches something but not God realization. 
 

In my opinion that is okay! Buddhism is fine. For my human experience it has so much to teach me still. 

Edited Saturday at 12:57 AM by Thought Art

[Eskilon]

@Thought Art I don't know what to say. The teaching is indirect. Just because something is not hammered in your head like it is here doesnt mean that it doesnt teach it. A function of style and preference.

You need to understand the difference between subtle and gross -- preaching is gross, remaning in silence and letting the seeker see for himself is subtle. Both have pros and cons.

Buddha saw that preaching did more harm than good so he remained in silence and didn't answered methaphysical questions. But, that DOES NOT mean he didn't understand those things. It was a personal choice.

Edited Saturday at 12:58 AM by Eskilon

[Thought Art]

@Eskilon He even teaches things which contradict it. It’s not subtle, it’s not the function of the teaching. My last reply.

[Eskilon]

8 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

He even teaches things which contradict it. It’s not subtle, it’s not the function of the teaching. My last reply.

Yeah, good that it was the last, what a waste of time.

Edited Saturday at 01:22 AM by Eskilon

[Joseph Maynor]

This video helped me see the highly pragmatic side of the Buddha.  

 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Maybe! Or maybe it wasn’t. “Their mind” hmmmmm

 

So for you enlightened is changing your mind paradigm? Then now you think that reality is a dream and that's it? Well, that's what I meant with mental projection 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Eskilon said:

don't know what to say. The teaching is indirect. Just because something is not hammered in your head like it is here doesnt mean that it doesnt teach it. A function of style and preference.

Buddha is very easy to misinterpret, I often do, but I would say that in essence he points to the truth.

Superficially it seems like a self-help strategy, but deep down what he's telling you is to break down the barriers, and what remains is the truth, what you are.

He doesn't explain what that truth is, because it can't be explained, since that truth is you. You are the fact of reality being conscious of itself.

What Buddha calls dukkah, attachment and desire, are the veils that keep you in a contracted state, blind to yourself. Enlightenment is the end of that contraction and the opening to your true nature.

The problem with Buddha is: there is no self, self is imaginary. 

That's a mess imo, there is self, the self is the fact of knowing that you are. 

Edited Saturday at 07:56 AM by Breakingthewall

[Eskilon]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Buddha is very easy to misinterpret, I often do, but I would say that in essence he points to the truth.

Very easy to misinterpret indeed. Very few here actually bothered to understand the man and read the Sutras(I was guilty of this in the past too).

Even Leo is guilty of this. And people parrot even Leo's trashing and mockery of Buddhism. it's comical.

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Superficially it seems like a self-help strategy, but deep down what he's telling you is to break down the barriers, and what remains is the truth, what you are.

Buddha's approach is bottom up. He helps you through your psychology so that you can maybe reach the spiritual, he helps to clean the ground so that you can experience the divine for yourself. It is a full cleanse. Very pragmatical but it doesn't stop at the pragmatics, that's what some fools don't understand.

 

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

He doesn't explain what that truth is, because it can't be explained, since that truth is you. You are the fact of reality being conscious of itself.

 Yeah, and even if it could be explained, how does that help anyone? You will just believe the person or reject, nothing fundamental changes. That's why he saw methaphysical question as mostly pointless. People needs experiences not explanations and preaching.

 

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem with Buddha is: there is no self, self is imaginary. 

That's a mess imo, there is self, the self is the fact of knowing that you are. 

I think he saying the same thing but through a different perspective. If he said that all is self like Adi Shankara for example(which was the norm in India at that time), through his observations he must have saw that the seeker could get attached to that idea, get an ego inflation, and never get to the other shore as he puts it. So, he is absolutely negative, denying even the self so that nothing remains in your mind to get attached to.

Buddha was and very much is hated in India because he destroys all the notions and image of God. How funny.

Edited Saturday at 02:38 PM by Eskilon

[Jehovah increases]

You already are God, but what does it take to wake up and know you are God? Crazy amounts of meditation, or the easiest way, well, for me, it was psychedelics and trust me, you will know, kind of like a thermonuclear explosion going off when you are waking up as God.

Edited Monday at 05:50 AM by Jehovah increases

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Eskilon said:

think he saying the same thing but through a different perspective. If he said that all is self like Adi Shankara for example(which was the norm in India at that time), through his observations he must have saw that the seeker could get attached to that idea, get an ego inflation, and never get to the other shore as he puts it. So, he is absolutely negative, denying even the self so that nothing remains in your mind to get attached to.

On 6/6/2026 at 2:57 AM, Eskilon said:

 

My main problem with Buddhism is the issue of emptiness. According to Buddhists, nothing has reality in and of itself, but only through its relationship with other things, and from this they infer that ultimate reality is emptiness.

From this, they deduce that enlightenment is reaching nirvana, which means "extinguishing your candle." They're already saying a lot there.

First, the fact that all reality is interconnected doesn't imply that it's empty, and their bias towards silence, being static, ceasing, etc., is simply a bias, and a rather strange one at that. If reality is relationship, wouldn't it be full of relationship?

Buddhists tell you to look closely until you see that reality is empty. They're already telling you what you should find at the end of your observation. So, their silence on other metaphysical matters perhaps simply means they're not interested; they just want to cease.

[Thought Art]

To be fair, I do not mock Buddhism. It’s just not a school for God Realization. Nothing wrong with that. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Eskilon anyway I think that Buddhism doesn't try to make an ontológical explanation of reality but creates a mental structure that collapse, then they have forbidden any positive affirmation because according to them it always would be a barrier. A real Buddhist will tell you that forget even the emptiness and nirvana. Imo it's too twisted but maybe it works in some cases

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

anyway I think that Buddhism doesn't try to make an ontológical explanation of reality but creates a mental structure that collapse, then they have forbidden any positive affirmation because according to them it always would be a barrier. A real Buddhist will tell you that forget even the emptiness and nirvana. Imo it's too twisted but maybe it works in some cases

Yeah, like I said the approach is not affirmative nor preachy. It's indirect, through Via negativa, and through pointers. But it is all about God, or the nature of reality, whatever you want to call it.

Buddha didn't leave his world of pleasure to pursue some basic self-help. Only fools believe is not about Truth at the end.

Edited 21 hours ago by Eskilon

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Yeah, like I said the approach is not affirmative nor preachy. It's indirect, through Via negativa, and through pointers. But it is all about God, or the nature of reality, whatever you want to call it.

Buddha didn't leave his world of pleasure to pursue some basic self-help. Only fools believe is not about Truth at the end.

@Eskilon

It's very difficult talking about Buddhism because there are many very different schools. Look for example this text of dozgchen Buddhism, it could be an advaita vedanta text, or any other monist religion. 

 

I am the Master, the pure and total consciousness from which everything manifests. Pure and total consciousness is the Supreme Source. It has given rise to the Buddhas of the three times; from it have arisen the beings of the three worlds and all that is animate and inanimate in the universe.
Pure and total consciousness has created everything and has created nothing. It has created everything because it has created its own nature, pure and total. It has created nothing because within it there is no need to create.
When my nature is not understood, and the phenomena that manifest from me become objects of judgment, desire and attachment give rise to a particular vision, impermanent and destined to vanish like a magical apparition, and one becomes like a blind person who does not know what is happening.
As I transcend all affirmations and negations, I am beyond all phenomena. As there is no object that is not myself, I am beyond meditating on a view. As there is nothing to maintain apart from myself, I am beyond the commitment of observance. As there is nothing to seek other than myself, I am beyond attaining the capacity for spiritual action. As there is no place outside myself, I am beyond any level of realization to surpass. As I have never encountered obstacles, I am beyond all spontaneously arising wisdom. As I am the ultimate unborn nature, I am beyond all as the ultimate subtle true nature.
I am called the Perfect Condition because everything is contained within me. I am called the Source because the teacher, the teaching, and the disciples arise from my three natures.
I am the essence of all phenomena; nothing exists that is not my essence. The teachers of the three dimensions are my essence. The Buddhas of the three times are my essence. The Bodhisattvas are my essence. The four kinds of yogis are my essence. The three worlds—of desire, form, and formlessness—are my manifestation. The five great elements are my essence. The six classes of beings are my essence. Everything inanimate is my essence. Everything living is my essence. All habitats and the beings dwelling within them are my essence. Nothing exists that is not my essence because I am the universal root; there is nothing that is not contained within me.
The unborn, the wonder of birth, and the manifestation of energy are the three aspects of the three teachers: this is their condition.
As the three times—past, present, and future—reside exclusively within me, all Buddhas are in the same condition: this too is my essence. As I transcend the dualism of subject and object, and like space I am all-pervading, constituting the fundamental substance of all phenomena, my essence is pure and total consciousness. I, who am the Source, abide in the single state, and in this same authentic condition abide the practitioners of the four yogas.
Realize my nature, the Supreme Source which is pure and total consciousness. Teach that all phenomena of existence are nothing but myself. If you transmit my teaching, all your disciples will realize my nature and become this very nature.
If my nature were to reveal itself compassionately to the beings of the three worlds who have arisen from me... Thus I, the Supreme Source, reveal my nature, showing it to myself.
Nothing beyond this exists. None of the Buddhas has ever received a teaching superior to this from me, the Source. Apart from this state of equality beyond concepts, I myself, the Supreme Source from which everything arises, have absolutely nothing to show to myself.
Listen! Since all of you have been created by me, you beings of the three worlds are my children, equal to me, the Supreme Source. You are myself, inseparable from me. Therefore I manifest myself to you, and through the five teachers of the natures I teach the single state of the five essences. I am the single state, I, the Supreme Source: you too are this—be certain of it.

Edited 5 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Osaid]

God never becomes anything.

[Mellowmarsh]

17 minutes ago, Osaid said:

God never becomes anything.

Gods got this. Not you.

[gettoefl]

Understand the triplicate you are now - (appearance, perception, suffering)

Know the truth that points to God - (reality, knowledge, peace)

Shift any one and lo you get all three

Appearance into reality is Self Enquiry / Advaita Vedanta, perception into knowledge is ACIM, suffering into peace is Buddhism

Choose which suits your disposition