How to Deal With Devilry At Work?

[SimpleGuy]

I asked similar question to this before, but I don`t have an answer. Please help.

Now I`m searching for opportunities to make money. Sales, marketing are main domains I`d like to focus on because in future I will create some kind of business and these skills would be helpful. Also they make great money.

But the main problem is the more I dive deeper into these domains the more I see how much you need to lie, cheat, con and manipulate. I`d better mop floors than do that. I tried it once and got burnt out very fast by working shitty sales job where you need to almost scam people.

Question is - is it overall problem of these two domains or I`m just dumb and don`t see opportunities?

[Questioning Mark]

Check out Josh Lyon's Sales on YouTube. The least corrupted sales coach I've seen.

My man leverages self-actualization in sales. Uses truth, not manipulation as a tool. 

He was the one who made me fall in love with sales for real as I stopped viewing them as manipulation.

[SimpleGuy]

On 30.04.2026 at 10:07 PM, Questioning Mark said:

Check out Josh Lyon's Sales on YouTube. The least corrupted sales coach I've seen.

My man leverages self-actualization in sales. Uses truth, not manipulation as a tool. 

He was the one who made me fall in love with sales for real as I stopped viewing them as manipulation.

Thanks! Yeah, here one guy recommended him to me. I`ll check him out again

[Kalki Avatar]

Is your job remote?

[Hojo]

Put your horns on.

[kag101]

I think we should embrace devilry. 

As Jung pointed out, if we don't embrace our shadows, we will always be incomplete. 

[Miguel1]

On 03/05/2026 at 10:46 AM, SimpleGuy said:

here one guy recommended him to me.

I wonder who that guy was

[Spiral]

Sales and marketing is devilry, always has been

[Miguel1]

@Spiral 

3 minutes ago, Spiral said:

Survival is devilry, always has been

Fixed it for you

[gettoefl]

Be the KISA of every devil. 

Knight in shining armor.

Every sinner needs a saint and every saint arrives a sinner.