How to Deal With Devilry At Work?

[SimpleGuy]

I asked similar question to this before, but I don`t have an answer. Please help.

Now I`m searching for opportunities to make money. Sales, marketing are main domains I`d like to focus on because in future I will create some kind of business and these skills would be helpful. Also they make great money.

But the main problem is the more I dive deeper into these domains the more I see how much you need to lie, cheat, con and manipulate. I`d better mop floors than do that. I tried it once and got burnt out very fast by working shitty sales job where you need to almost scam people.

Question is - is it overall problem of these two domains or I`m just dumb and don`t see opportunities?

[Questioning Mark]

Check out Josh Lyon's Sales on YouTube. The least corrupted sales coach I've seen.

My man leverages self-actualization in sales. Uses truth, not manipulation as a tool. 

He was the one who made me fall in love with sales for real as I stopped viewing them as manipulation.

[SimpleGuy]

On 30.04.2026 at 10:07 PM, Questioning Mark said:

Check out Josh Lyon's Sales on YouTube. The least corrupted sales coach I've seen.

My man leverages self-actualization in sales. Uses truth, not manipulation as a tool. 

He was the one who made me fall in love with sales for real as I stopped viewing them as manipulation.

Thanks! Yeah, here one guy recommended him to me. I`ll check him out again

[Kalki Avatar]

Is your job remote?

[Hojo]

Put your horns on.

[kag101]

I think we should embrace devilry. 

As Jung pointed out, if we don't embrace our shadows, we will always be incomplete. 

[Miguel1]

On 03/05/2026 at 10:46 AM, SimpleGuy said:

here one guy recommended him to me.

I wonder who that guy was

[Spiral]

Sales and marketing is devilry, always has been

[Miguel1]

@Spiral 

3 minutes ago, Spiral said:

Survival is devilry, always has been

Fixed it for you

[gettoefl]

Be the KISA of every devil. 

Knight in shining armor.

Every sinner needs a saint and every saint arrives a sinner.

[Human Mint]

On 5/5/2026 at 11:11 AM, kag101 said:

I think we should embrace devilry. 

As Jung pointed out, if we don't embrace our shadows, we will always be incomplete. 

*ends up in jail*

[SimpleGuy]

On 05.05.2026 at 5:42 PM, Miguel1 said:

I wonder who that guy was

Hahahaha

 

On 05.05.2026 at 5:50 PM, Spiral said:

Sales and marketing is devilry, always has been

Could you elaborate why please?

 

On 05.05.2026 at 6:34 PM, gettoefl said:

KISA

What is that?

On 05.05.2026 at 5:11 PM, kag101 said:

I think we should embrace devilry. 

As Jung pointed out, if we don't embrace our shadows, we will always be incomplete. 

Yes, embrace/accept but not let shadow rule our life

On 04.05.2026 at 11:59 PM, Kalki Avatar said:

Is your job remote?

Yes

 

On 05.05.2026 at 0:00 AM, Hojo said:

Put your horns on.

I always wear them

[No1Here2c]

On 5/4/2026 at 5:00 PM, Hojo said:

Put your horns on.

& grab yourself a bag of popcorn!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

There will always be corruption.

You just have to decide how much you are willing to engage in and maintain your own standards of integrity and conduct.

It might be useful to find out what those metrics are for yourself. Understanding that there are our ideals - and how we ACTUALLY respond to reality and experience. One can be quite surprised at how you react when faced with the option to exploit an avenue vs how you would like to be.

I thought the topic was more pertaining to social dynamic related devilry - which I find much easier to deal with. 

Myself? I have always been a devil. I love finding loopholes. Ambiguities. Risk. Unknowns. It is all an opportunity to innovate in some way. I mentally justify this as my own 'survival'. These impulses are not inherently immoral. They lead to innovation, entrepreneurship. But there are levels I will never go to. I know exactly where the cut-off points are where my integrity suffers, and my thoughts come back like 'devils' to get me at night. The only advice I have is to learn yourself and your standards through experience. Get into something and observe how you FEEL in response to situations that compromise your integrity. Those are your personal boundaries. 

There is no use being immobilised by ideals and perfect situations. Jump into life - it is the only way to explore yourself and know.

I would make a list of grey-area careers, blacklisted careers, and whitelisted. Rank options in order of corruption according to your current feelings. And understand you may not know your own personal ethics until confronted with the experience.

You want to work a job that leaves you with an unpolluted mind. 

Most people know their self-image - not their ethics.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

In short - don't build a fantasy of ideals based around your own self image of purity you have never had to defend under pressure.

[Joseph Maynor]

What bothers me is people who deny morality but then bring it in thru the backdoor when it serves them.  They don't want your morality interfering with theirs basically.  This is an old trick.

[Joseph Maynor]

Understand power and sneaky ways highly manipulative people use it.  Become financially and relationally (socially) independent so you don't have to play these games for too long.  It's important to grow up and act like a person who is showing up in the world, not just some fun online bypasser ultimately.  Value your time and truth and personal development.  Of course people who want to manipulate you are going to challenge your truth in favor of theirs.  And then the people who think they benefit from this will support it like fools.  It's opposite game all the way down with these people.  They're doing the best they think they can.  They're living a distanced existence.  You never met any of these people.  Maybe they don't even exist.  They could be one person.  I don't trust anyone I haven't met in person period.  Be careful of people who are highly moralistic but also deny morality.  This is not sustainable long term.  Highly manipulative people will resort to distorting your words as well.  When you notice that, you can cabin that person accordingly if you can identify them; but online this is harder to do than in person.  This kinda reminds of of a video game nerd gone wrong lol.  Too bad.  That schtick, ruse & pretending only goes so far.  But, don't let me hold you back, it's a creation for social media.

Edited 1 hour ago by Joseph Maynor

[Zigzag Idiot]

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