Anger is not always wrong

[No1Here2c]

On 5/11/2026 at 1:29 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

Anger is real in every person.

It looks to me that you already understand anger is an ego thing. Anger as a result of personal identity.

Even intense frustration, seen from the right perspective, is perfect & beautiful. Though ego itself may never understand this, consciousness can grasp this as it is absolutely true.

Edited yesterday at 02:57 PM by No1Here2c

[Lila9]

Anger protected me so many times during my life.

Sometimes it consumed me in an unhealthy way, though.

This is a fire that one needs to learn to control, but it is a vital energy, life energy sacred and as important as fire itself. It has the potential to burn you and your surroundings if you are not careful, but also the potential to protect yourself and others. It can be a fuel for destruction or protection, which can later secure creation and life.

 

[Jodistrict]

Philosophical discussions of anger remind me of Buddha’s parable of the poison arrow.  A man was shot by a poison arrow but won’t let anyone remove the arrow until they can explain who shot him.  Anger is both energetic and conceptual.  There is always a story with it.  The feelings provide the juice that makes the anger alive.  When I feel anger arise, I also fully feel the suffering that it brings.  My body then makes the connection and automatically drops the story.  It’s like if you hold an object that suddenly becomes hot, your hand will reflexively open and let it go.  You actually don’t need anger to do anything that you need to do. 

[UnbornTao]

Ouch! Angry! Hurt! 

Edited 23 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Joseph Maynor]

I agree there are people who are in the habit of blaming outward for their feeling of stress and this can punish them and others like a death of a thousand cuts kind of thing.  This should be avoided because there might no end to this.  It depends on the relationship too.

[Eskilon]

The notion that anger comes from outside the ego is really funny. People sure like to twist things lol

Infinite self-deception.

Edited 3 hours ago by Eskilon

[Joseph Maynor]

20 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

The notion that anger comes from outside the ego is really funny. People sure like to twist things lol

Infinite self-deception.

This is exactly what I'm challenging.  

[No1Here2c]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is exactly what I'm challenging.  

Of course anger arises within and of truth. But it is a 'direct result' of ego defense. You can see this if you trace the cause & effect of it in direct experience.

Everything you see from ego perspective, is interpretation.
All anger is a survival mechanism created by the ego.

From my current perspective, given my operating system and current state of consciousness, I see that anger can provide the ferocious aggression necessary to ward off a threat to survival. In these cases its better to work with the anger than simply let it go. 
This is not to say that anger does not have the capacities for ruinous properties, or cannot cause internal or external harm. I feel it should be minimized in modern human life, where reasonably possible.

It is important to see it from all lenses.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

The notion that anger comes from outside the ego is really funny. People sure like to twist things lol

Infinite self-deception.

This is my stance - ego/self origin. I haven't heard a compelling argument or example that suggests otherwise.

[JoshB]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is my stance - ego/self origin. I haven't heard a compelling argument or example that suggests otherwise.

Even if you're abused physically for years?

[No1Here2c]

4 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Even if you're abused physically for years?

Yeah if that arouses anger that is out of ego reaction. Anger arises of the self. If you were completely selfless you would not need to defend yourself from abuse. The reaction of anger would not need to arise.

Anger is an internal mechanism that forces reaction.

Edited 1 hour ago by No1Here2c

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, JoshB said:

Even if you're abused physically for years?

As in, anger isn't from the self if you are abused? 

[Human Mint]

Only an ego can get abused, right?

[JoshB]

2 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

Only an ego can get abused, right?

@No1Here2c @Natasha Tori Maru  try getting abused for years yourself and when you start to get upset think to yourself oh yes I must be selfless this is all coming from ego 

This is easier to claim in theory not practice 

If I abuse you for years beating you and tell you hey mans its all just ego I would love to see that response

Edited 1 hour ago by JoshB

[No1Here2c]

3 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@No1Here2c @Natasha Tori Maru  try getting abused for years yourself and when you start to get upset think to yourself oh yes I must be selfless this is all coming from ego 

Don't assume what I or anybody else here has been through.

You are operating from self right here as we speak. That is the source of your anger.

Your anger is not a magical spell placed by anybody else. It is a spell of your own mind/body ego unit.

Regardless of circumstances.

A child drops his ice cream cone, he gets angry. Is the anger placed within him magically by the ice cream cone itself?

Or does it arise of himself? Of his own internal workings?

Edited 1 hour ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

Nobody is saying you must be selfless in the face of cruelty. That's counter productive. We are simply attempting to provide you the pointers to see within yourself the very source of your own upset. It is none other than?

Edited 1 hour ago by No1Here2c

[JoshB]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Nobody is saying you must be selfless in the face of cruelty. That's counter productive. We are simply giving you the pointers to see within yourself the very source of your own upset 

If you want to get technical there isn't anyone to get upset. 

[No1Here2c]

Just now, JoshB said:

If you want to get technical there isn't anyone to get upset. 

There you go now you're onto something.

Edited 1 hour ago by No1Here2c

[JoshB]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

There you go now you're onto something.

But maintaining the disillusionment of self while being abused isn't easy.

 

[Human Mint]

There is lots of nuances in this. You can get abused and still perform a series of selfless decisions that would end the abused and also help the abuser. That's what selflessness is. Be careful how you interpret what I just said, it can materialize in a myriad of different ways. You can't fake selflessness on the other hand. Either you are selfless in a given situation or you are not. And I am not placing any judgment in how it plays.

On the other hand, a rock cannot get abused. It is an ego thing.