Have empathy for Pedophiles

[trenton]

I deconstructed monster narratives in a separate thread. I understand all kinds of sex offenders including preferential offenders. From their point of view, they are acting from love because they believe a child can consent or needs that kind of love. It is a similar pattern to incest perpetrators and zoophiles who don't think that the child or animal is being harmed or traumatized. They have a very different worldview and it is incompatible with the values of contemporary society. This doesn't make them evil, but there is a way to handle this.

Germany had a much lower stigma around pedophilic attraction. There are more people who seek help due to the reduced stigma. This in turn translates into reduced sexual violations. There is Stop It Now in America, but the stigma prevents people from using this resource when they have a thought or desire to commit a sexual offense. By recognizing the basic humanity across all types of sex offenders, it becomes possible to serve prevention and thereby protect children which is virtually impossible through the justice system, punishment, and moral condemnation. Understanding the psychological vulnerabilities that lead to the offense is key to prevention, but the research is overly restricted.

I have mapped out the profiles and it would serve to protect us well if we knew what to look for and what action to take in preventing sexual violations of all kinds including against minors by pedophiles, but also opportunistic offenders like priests and parents who rape children, grievance offenders who rape and murder their intimate partners, and sadistic offenders who torture and rape dozens of victims for their pleasure. Compassion for human beings including sex offenders is part of what can serve prevention by allowing people to seek help rather than pushing sexuality underground where it remains dysfunctional.

Of course, this doesn't excuse their behavior if they do offend and they should be held accountable if possible, although in most cases it isn't possible do to evidentiary standards in courts, hence prevention is key. The "compassion" framing is probably problematic though because it triggers people who were raped. We should definitely have compassion for them as well and do what we must to protect them.

[Rafael Thundercat]

20 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

How will you meet me in person? I am from Israel and you are afraid of Israel (;

 Not afraid of Israel, Israel is a Construction,  I am aware of how some Israelis act? Is all in the news. That is what I am afraid. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

17 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Spot on, so if people were taught from a young age how to actually connect with themselves, pedophilia might disappear all together.

We for sure have studies of how a pedo is raised. If anyone can proof that pedo is a genetic trait, even if that is proved we still need to take epigenetic factors. Nature and Nurturing acts here, and we enter in the realm of Sytem thinking.  Patriarchy is a system  not the only one in operation but the oldest one. I will link one map of where all intewoven.

Understanding Intersectionality: Key Considerations for DEI Consultants – Part One https://share.google/EabOM4BnW2eibDon7

White Supremacy, Capitalism, Settler Colonialism, and Heteropatriarchy — Cooperation Jackson https://share.google/TXyAfo80zq5Jp4eh1

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Patriarchy is the root cause. Is so intrenched in Civilization that is hard to dismantle all threads of it. We were born on it as fish are born in water. So how you question Water when you are a fish? You need to go out of water.

How exactly is patriarchy the root cause of pedophilia ? I think you were more correct when you said: lack of connection with self.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

How exactly is patriarchy the root cause of pedophilia ? I think you were more correct when you said: lack of connection with self.

Where did you learn to be unrooted,disconected? Up stuck in the mind disconnected from feelings, empathy, care,community,recipocity. Check Matriarchal Values vs Patriarchy Values. 

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Where did you learn to be unrooted,disconected? Up stuck in the mind disconnected from feelings, empathy, care,community,recipocity. Check Matriarchal Values vs Patriarchy Values. 

I hear you, my point is that technically it would be possible to prevent pedophilia by teaching people from a young age to connect more deeply with themselves.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, my point is that technically it would be possible to prevent pedophilia by teaching people from a young age to connect more deeply with themselves.

Of course. But parents are inserted in what sort of system? Parents basicaly poison their kids with the poison they were injected. We need to extract the poison from ourselves so we dont pass for kids. And is not mentality is behavior. If América have a lot of Pedofiles this show that is a cultural thing. Who colonized America?

[enchanted]

23 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I noticing the quality of members in this Forum going low and down day by day. 

This is a clear example. Great insightfull members are leaving. I dont see @zurew for awile for example.

You can leave too anytime if we are too low brow for you. It's not like your responses add that much value. I see you getting triggered and every comment you don't like and start hurling insults and swear words right off the bat without asking clarifying questions or showing you are contemplating the other persons perspective. Also if you disagree with a comment a gentler and more respectful approach sways people to change in a much more productive and healthier way. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

21 minutes ago, enchanted said:

I see you getting triggered and every comment you don't like and start hurling insults and swear words right off the bat without asking clarifying questions or showing you are contemplating the other persons perspective. Also if you disagree with a comment a gentler and more respectful approach sways people to change in a much more productive and healthier way. 

You sound Coherent but you know some characters in this forum. I will not act a dove in a nest of Vipers. Check the interactions of @Someone here, @breakingthewall just to cite 2. There is space for understanding but I will not lower my voice for Trolls. Fire will ne meet with fire so people have the chance to taste a bit of their on poison. 

[enchanted]

26 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

You sound Coherent but you know some characters in this forum. I will not act a dove in a nest of Vipers. Check the interactions of @Someone here, @breakingthewall just to cite 2. There is space for understanding but I will not lower my voice for Trolls. Fire will ne meet with fire so people have the chance to taste a bit of their on poison. 

I hear you and you're right. We treat each other like crap even on this spiritual forum. Ironic that the topic is basically "should pedophiles have empathy?" Yet it seems we hardly have empathy for similar minded people here!  I take it back your comments add value and thanks for your reply. 

Edited 1 hour ago by enchanted

[Human Mint]

You could help pedophiles offering guidance as a life purpose, nothing is stopping you... It may suit you.

But you ain't fooling people that raping children is ok.