Is anyone objectively a woman?

[ZenAlex]

Just being honest here, I'm not sure where to look to find out what a woman actually is. Is it an Adult Female or anyone who identifies as such?

Please don't get triggered, I've thought about this quite a bit and my general belief is - There's no objective man or woman.

A woman is whatever it is we decide that it is, same as a man. I'd like to think there's some way we can find out objectively what it is or at least create the perfect argument as to why one definition is better than the other, so I can confidently know what a woman objectively is or what we we should consider a woman.

The legal definition in my country is Adult Female, I'm from the UK. 

Please help with this. Please don't get angry, I'm just trying to learn, and I'm not convinced with either side yet. 

[Sucuk Ekmek]

Historically, It's all about the birth of city and what we are doing in our cities.

About 5000 years ago Sumer clergy had to invent the women because they were the only thing that could tame the wild beasts aka "men". If you want to build a city you need your masculine guys to behave, prefably monogamy.

So this is how we got our temple prostitutes. Back then a girl couldn't marry if she didn't do her temple duties at least one time. Each one had to do the job. 

The art of Prostitution was given by gods to great goddess Innana. (This girl is our main fertile  goddess motive through the history)

This is my scientific take you can find more about this in Gilgamesh's best friend Enkidu's tale. He is and males like him are the wild beasts I am talking about. Luckly  clergy write down this tales to tablets so we can reimagine ourselves.

 

Let's go further down the time, foods are plenty and there is no need for cities. This time women are happy and polygamous, as there is no reason for monogamy. 

We just happen to be do the stuff and try to be somewhat  efficient at it, along the way we get genders etc. Those things just correspond to what we doing. 

[integral]

Objectively, what is the colour green?

Making distinctions between two things is happening. 

 there's no need to pretend it's not happening.

Sure from the absolute it's all one but we're not in the absolute instead we are living actual experiences.

Be careful with the word objective, you would have to carefully Define what that is and it's much harder than it seems.

Words hold massive epistemic conformity and hidden conformity

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A woman is whatever it is we decide that it is

No not really, gravity is not "what we decide it is". Does gravity go up? No it doesn't. It's not whatever we want it to be. 

A woman has a vagina she has ovaries and she could give birth, a man has completely different system. A hermaphrodite has both reproductive organs.

There are many colors in the rainbow. We are making distinctions and then giving them a label (word/name).

 

 

Part 2: Gender is a psychological identity game, some people have a brain structure that makes them more fluid in their identity orientation. Maybe they're brain didnt form properly because they didn't receive the right hormones in the womb and then they feel like they're in the wrong body, that they're actually a woman trapped in a man's body.

There's gender, biological sex, masculine/feminine energy, masculine/ feminine presentation, sexual orientation. All of these are separate things that could be all mixed and matched into one person.

Edited 2 hours ago by integral

[integral]

2 hours ago, ZenAlex said:

Please don't get angry

😂

[Lucasxp64]

A woman is a different thing depending on context.

To an alien, they might not even have concept of biological sex. So they wouldn't even make such distinction, or it's very unimportant to their goals.

What is a woman to a marketer? Well, it's just a psycho-social persona of what is likely most of the times a biological female person that could be a mother, a young insecure teenager girl, a buyer that would buy woman related stuff, likely prefers pink over blue color, and "feminine" brand style works best for them, likely buys makeup, etc.

What is a woman to me when looking for a partner? Well, I'm looking for a persona that a marketer likely wouldn't specify that much. Such as specific facial features, bust size and shape, hip to waist ratio, hair color, eyebrow shape, eye area anatomy shape, vocal profile. Then idiosyncrasies, mannerisms, language, location, age range, personal beliefs, etc.

What is a woman for the government? Has female checked in the ID.

What is a woman for the government when it comes to reproduction? Is a biological female within reproductive age range.

What is a woman for sexual pleasure of a partner? A homo sapiens of the biological gender male or female that looks plausibly like a female and doesn't have a physical dick and has a vagina or a surgically made "vagina" from a biological dick, that passes visually and sexually functionally (from the perspective of a sexual partner) for non-reproductive reasons as a vagina. 

Well actually... A woman for sexual pleasure is the tactile, visual and auditory patterns that triggers whatever internally turns them on and they assign it as a female in their heads in the case for most male heterosexual or bisexual homo sapiens or female homosexuals or bisexuals. 

A woman for psychological pleasure includes obviously elements beyond sexual trigger, such as interactive elements, inner mental fantasies, etc.: i.e. Why do people have AI girlfriend/boyfriends even though it's a non-biological entity? Is a AI GF not a woman in someone's fantasy? What about character of a woman in a fictional history? Isn't that a woman to the reader?

There are many ways to explain this. A woman is definitely more complicated than let's say a "cube" because it's part of this psycho-social-biological domain, as with anything else within that domain, it's complex as heck.

"Physically" if you want to get materialistic there is technically no such thing as a dog, a cube, a nuclear reactor, a planet, a woman or air. Those are just higher-order concepts for different physical patterns.

A "woman" is just the ANSI or Unicode characters "W", "O", "M", "A", "N" that forms the English word "Woman".

Do you get the idea here? We can go on and on with this ridiculous mental exercise on what is a woman and it's literally infinite.

Most of the times when we say what a woman is, we mean the pragmatic common sense definition. She has social roles, she may have biological roles, etc. Socially, if someone looks like a woman, I'll call her "her", or even if he/she looks androgynous or ambiguous I'd refrain from using a pronoun just to not make myself a stupid fool in front of them and because I don't wanna be an asshole. If they tell me to use he or she even though common sense would tell otherwise, I'd call them whatever they please. Just to clear out the pronoun bullshit going around. Also I don't think there should be a law mandating use of the right pronoun within social settings, govt should not stick their greasy hands on people's social lives, excluding when it comes to child support.

I think it complicates too much all of the other weird made-up social/sexual genders they are trying to make, like I saw a list with hundreds of them, it's not even practical even for dating apps to put that up. We probably have very little actual variations, it starts mixing up abstractions (See the image below on the next image on that venn diagram, we have 15 base gender/orientation definitions). Nobody should give a shit about your sexual orientation unless they wanna fuck you or they are your friend or whatever. Or some other serious reason.

Biologically even the concept of sex/gender has weird edge-cases even for homo sapiens.

Edited 1 hour ago by Lucasxp64

[Lucasxp64]

 

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[Lucasxp64]

Look at this weirdness. This is why most people just lie about their true sexual inclinations right away, because it becomes this complex game dynamics, a lot of times those people just get heart broken and jealous.

Of course this has nothing to do with what a woman is, but their romantic/sexual role.

Edited 1 hour ago by Lucasxp64