Leo

[Eskilon]

12 minutes ago, Rigel said:

Being an asshole makes your students more independent of mind if you are teaching something of value.

It was NOT intentional though.

Not a shocking zen master move but his unconsciousness leaking hard.

Edited 7 hours ago by Eskilon

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, Rigel said:

I remember that Leo! It was an interesting time.

What changed between the quotes from "earlier Leo" and the quotes from 2026 Leo?

[Scholar]

To me it seems pretty obvious that any reaction to "enlightenment", is always egoic/psychological.

When someone is mind-blown by the nature of existence, the "being mind blown part", is just a psychological reaction of the limited form, the human, to the recognition of this nature.

 

So most of consciousness work is just about a human ego getting obsessed with the nature of existence. The nature of existence already is the nature of existence, it already is infinite, it has no need to go and "realize itself", other than limited forms within itself getting "mind blown" by the differences between the limitations and limitlessness.

 

The construct of "I am the most enlightened person", is blatantly a psychological process, a reaction of a psyche to the nature of reality. You cannot actually get rid of this, because any reaction will always remain to be a limited form, as that what a reaction is.

Oneness is not a feeling. It doesn't feel good or bad, it just is. However, a psychological being, when it experiences Oneness, will have a specific psychological reaction to it. The feeling is actually what is "mindblowing", the reaction to the recognition of the Self then overshadows the recognition itself and becomes centerpoint.

The "energetic response" is not enlightenment, it is just psychology/limitation, in fact, the more intense it becomes, the more you know it is limitation. It would be obvious if the psychological response to the nature of reality was a color.

If humans had their vision fill with redness instead of psychological love when recognizing Oneness, humans would say that God is Red. The Redness would be so intense that their psychology could not help but get swept up by it.

 

The reason why you cry and shit yourself when you take 5-MeO-DMT is because of the feelings that flood your consciousness, not because of some sort of "energy" that fills you because you become God. 

Your Psychology is not calibrated for Ultimate Oneness, or Infinity. If it was, it would be mundane to you, nothing special at all. Only a limited form is mind-blown by Infinity.

 

And then, here is the ultimate trap: Human psychology is fundamentally driven my emotions, and mostly by emotions of meaning. Because psychedelics stimulate so much meaning in the psychology of a mind, it is a recipe for ultimate delusion. The meaning will be so intense that your psychology will rewire itself to view the psychological reaction as the most important and essential thing in reality. It will trick itself into having experience objective Meaning, when it was just All-Consuming Meaning, psychologically speaking.

Meaning so intense, no psychological being (or human psychology) could resist it's allure.

Edited 7 hours ago by Scholar

[Scholar]

Leo, like everyone else, is a meaning addict. In my opinion, psychedelics provide him with experiences of meaning, in his case the sense that he gained deeper understanding into reality and specifically that he gained understanding that is superior to others, which is a central theme in his psychology as you have shown in the post. Having a sense that he realized something essential, the most important thing in reality, and that others are blind to him, gives him an ultimate sense of meaning, and that's why it just keeps repeating over and over in a new form.

And there is nothing you could do to convince him this is the case. Psychedelics are basically a brainwashing tool, in terms of the centers of the brain they activate outside of mere ego dissolution. It is so obvious and undeniable, the first time I took psychedelics I immediately recognized this, and the more I actually saw what psychedelics do to others, it is obvious they have a profound reinforcing effect of whatever psychological state the mind is in.

 

Leo's mind would never be satisfied with "realizing reality" and then moving on. He needs more always, otherwise the meaning-treadmill would end. He is still a rat chasing it's own tail.

[Joshe]

9 minutes ago, Scholar said:

And there is nothing you could do to convince him this is the case. Psychedelics are basically a brainwashing tool, in terms of the centers of the brain they activate outside of mere ego dissolution. It is so obvious and undeniable, the first time I took psychedelics I immediately recognized this, and the more I actually saw what psychedelics do to others, it is obvious they have a profound reinforcing effect of whatever psychological state the mind is in.

Yeah, I also saw how you could use them to construct or reinforce any metaphysical belief you want. Recognized it my first time as well and was aware it would be an error to consistently plug Leo's metaphysics into the experience, because it was obvious I would just be constructing the whole thing until the construction was perfect and I believed it to be absolute truth.

But I think psychedelics are usually only brainwashing tools for people who are motivated to interpret or derive meaning from the experiences. If you don't go looking for meaning, they're just very interesting experiences. But if you constantly try to find love, infinity, god, or whatever, you'll eventually find it, and they will be your own unconscious constructions.

[Oppositionless]

Leo claims to have gone beyond nonduality but can't explain HOW is awakening is different from nonduality. 

This can either trigger you, inspire you or just make you curious 

myself I'm curious 

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[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Leo claims to have gone beyond nonduality but can't explain HOW is awakening is different from nonduality. 

It's different in that a much deeper consciousness of God is reached.

God is realized more and more deeply, to shocking levels.

Such stunning levels of God are realized that nonduality looks like child's play. Nondualists cannot even imagine these degrees of God exist.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

16 hours ago, Joshe said:

Another aspect of the expansive type is that relationships with them are not collaborative/mutual, but hierarchical. To be vulnerable and a mere human engaging with another human on the same level implies "we are fundamentally the same kind of being", which threatens the Idealized Self. 

You and I are literally identical.

All of you guys are me.

[Leo Gura]

17 hours ago, zurew said:

I have unique genetics for consciousness

I don't claim that.

Only with psychedelics. Which is true.

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 Im the most fucking developed being in the Universe

I have never claimed that.

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and Im definitely over all of my potential psychological issues

I never claimed that.

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 and traumas.

Yes, I have no traumas.

That's easy because I never had much to begin with.

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And again, everything that I do is deliberate and conscious 100d chess for your benefit

Never said that.

I make mistakes and do unconscious things sometimes.

Especially if you consider 60,000 casual forum posts. Yeah, you will find sloppy stuff I said. Especially when you strip it of all context as in this thread.

Don't forget this forum is a casual place. Not a book. Not a formal work. You are interacting with me here casually, like a friend to friend conversation. These are not professional conversations. If you expect that, you will be disappointed and confused.

The biggest issue I see is that people don't know how to distinguish casual conversation from professional communication or formal work.

A PhD scientist can write a formal research paper and then talk shit at the bar with collegues.

But anything I post on this forum gets treated like a formal research paper and used against me in perpetuity. This is why politicians never talk truthfully with you. Because you will use all their words to hang them. So they only do fake PR-speak.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

@Leo Gura

If you were more compassionate/lovy type of teacher, would you reach this levels of Consciousness? How your specific personality propels you to go further?

[Leo Gura]

59 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

@Leo Gura

If you were more compassionate/lovy type of teacher, would you reach this levels of Consciousness? How your specific personality propels you to go further?

I don't know. I can't really change my personality. It would not be natural.

I can't pretend to be a soft, lovey Matt Kahn character. That's not who I am.

However, I have matured a lot and will continue to do so. I am getting much wiser in how I interact with humans and how I handle their curveballs and drama. I have become much wiser at handling egos. I now communicate in ways to avoid triggering ego. I see what will trigger the ego and avoid saying it, where in the past I would not. So I am less provocative now.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

21 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

Sure.

But you also make videos telling people how to do this better. If only one thing gets actualized and the past had to be exactly one way. what's the point of the advice?

The future can be better. That's what I work on every day.

[Leo Gura]

17 hours ago, Joshe said:

They exhibit:

• grandiosity
• need to be exceptional
• contempt for ordinary humanity
• intolerance for weakness
• drive toward greatness
• belief in one’s unique gifts

These coalesce to form what she calls the "Idealized Self", which becomes the organizing principle of the ego. The person constructs a grand image of who they are and the "Search for Glory" begins.

That's how great things are created.

It's called ambition.

You need the ambition to believe you will create something no one has created before.

It is hard to understand this unless you have created something truly new and great yourself.

When you act humble you will never break through the insane group-think of mankind.

You don't understand the insane standards I have. It's those standards that drive all of my work. It is like when James Cameron makes Titanic, he has insane standards that make him look like an asshole. Because he is trying to create Titanic. His job is not to be your mother.

My job is to find the deepest understandings of Reality. That is not easy to do and has a cost. I accept full responsibility for that cost.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[vibv]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The future can be better. That's what I work on every day.

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never claimed that.

Who is doing the formal pedantic thing now? You know that by "developed" I meant awake.

I mean this whole fucking thread was created for the reason because you have been claiming to be the most awake for years now.

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Never said that.

Explitictly you never said that exact thing, but you did imply it when you had a completely uncontrolled outburst and then framed it as if it was consciously done for the greater good of others. I didnt just invent those plausible deniability moves, if you really want to I can show you when and how you used them, but I dont think its necessary - unless you deny it to be the case.

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Especially if you consider 60,000 casual forum posts. Yeah, you will find sloppy stuff I said. Especially when you strip it of all context as in this thread.

Not just sloppy , you did say some pretty fucking unhinged shit and the reason why it is brought up over and over again, is because you either deny it or you make it seem like its nothing or your brush it off or you make excuses for it.

You make it sound like there is some kind of impossibly high standard is suggested here, when it is not.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Who is doing the formal pedantic thing now? You know that by "developed" I meant awake.

I mean this whole fucking thread was created for the reason because you have been claiming to be the most awake for years now.

Developed and Awake are very different things.

What I claim is that I accessed insanely high states of consciousness. I still stand by those claims.

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Explitictly you never said that exact thing, but you did imply it when you had a completely uncontrolled outburst and then framed it as if it was consciously done for the greater good of others. I didnt just invent those plausible deniability moves, if you really want to I can show you when and how you used them, but I dont think its necessary - unless you deny it to be the case.

It depends on the exact case. Yes, in some cases I said very harsh things to people who needed it said.

You forget the gaslighting that my posts were in response to.

I wasn't just saying stuff out of the blue. Those things were said for reasons.

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Not just sloppy , you did say some pretty fucking unhinged shit and the reason why it is brought up over and over again, is because you either deny it or you make it seem like its nothing or your brush it off or you make excuses for it.

I said unhinged shit because I became conscious of unhinged shit.

The two go together. There is a logic behind it.

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You make it sound like there is some kind of impossibly high standard is suggested here, when it is not.

There is no standard at all for the things I discovered.

I am lucky I am still alive.

You dive deep, shit happens.

Risks were taken, costs were paid, gold was discovered. It was something I needed to do. Apologies for my rudeness.

Edited 45 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The biggest issue I see is that people don't know how to distinguish casual conversation from professional communication or formal work.

A PhD scientist can write a formal research paper and then talk shit at the bar with collegues.

But anything I post on this forum gets treated like a formal research paper and used against me in perpetuity. This is why politicians never talk truthfully with you. Because you will use all their words to hang them. So they only do fake PR-speak

This makes sense. Sometimes we are just not in the best mood to write and will say shit. 

[Leo Gura]

That's why a lot of people got tricked by Trump. He is crass and speaks without much PR. But he just happens to be naturally full of shit so it doesn't matter.

Edited 30 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Ramasta9]

8 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

do you beleive in generational karma?

or past lives? 

what if you already integrated and faced the things, wouldn't it be silly for someone else to call you out on something you already worked on?

I don't know about that stuff but I understand that the law of cause and effect is immutable. You eventually have to face the ripple effect you radiate out at one point or another.

It all comes down to how you receive it and the state you are when it comes full circle that will result in the overall conclusion.

 

Edited 4 minutes ago by Ramasta9

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's how great things are created.

It's called ambition.

You need the ambition to believe you will create something no one has created before.

It is hard to understand this unless you have created something truly new and great yourself.

When you act humble you will never break through the insane group-think of mankind.

You don't understand the insane standards I have. It's those standards that drive all of my work. It is like when James Cameron makes Titanic, he has insane standards that make him look like an asshole. Because he is trying to create Titanic. His job is not to be your mother.

My job is to find the deepest understandings of Reality. That is not easy to do and has a cost. I accept full responsibility for that cost.

The traits themselves aren't the issue. You can have all those traits without being organized around superiority.

But I suppose for some, uprooting superiority might take all those traits with it because they formed out of superiority in the first place. And like you said, you can't just change your personality. So it just is what it is.