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[gengar]

@Leo Gura "To be truly fair and equal God must allow the world to be able to be as unfair as it wants. "

Would you agree this is the metaphysical principal that allows corruption and evil in the universe?

Lately I'm feeling conflicted, as my outlook on life grows worse, my ego sometimes breaks down, and it's clear to me this world is absolutely perfect, including all the evil within it. But then I get heartbroken by the experiences of mothers losing their children for example. God's design is so deep and unsettling at times, when you realize that literally everything is Good. My ego can't handle it. my resentment grows ever bigger even though I'm conscious of the absolute Good of all creation.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

I have an acquired disability and my social anxiety is so bad that I often get palpitations when socializing.
Not saying you should feel sorry but it feels impossible after trying so many times and failing at the most basic stuff. 
Would you tell a badger that misses a paw to just go ahead and try?

I'm sorry your situation is so difficult.

But social anxiety can still be fixed. That's no reason to give up.

Even if ultimately you can't socialize, you can still find happiness through spiritual work. Then throw all your effort into spiritual work.

The happiness women bring is quite minimal.

If you get serious abouy Kriya yoga, within a few years you can be happier than a guy who slept with 100 girls.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[gengar]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Even if ultimately you can't socialize, you can still find happiness through spiritual work. Then throw all your effort into spiritual work.

I have thought about that a lot. I don't think I can do it. it requires a piety I don't think I have. All my karma wants is to experience human love. I can't help it, and honestly don't want to transcend it. "The happiness women bring is quite minimal." This is like saying eating brings minimal happiness when it is everything for the ones who don't have it. I would do anything to experience this (its on a timestamp):

How can you say women don't bring happiness. Don't we men crave their love. I get that it doesn't bring happiness by itself but it brings unhappiness to literally never have it. I've literally never been loved by a girl. I'm basically a child inside. 

And honestly I can't even get the funds to move out of my parents house. I stay leeching. There are no jobs, and even the unethical things I've tried to get money went to no avail. I've been in this loop for years now. I quit all my addictions like cigarettes and weed completely for over a year now and never looked back, yet not much has changed, although porn addiction is impossible to quit. 

There is not much to whine about. The world doesn't owe me anything. Kids get blown up in Gaza like they're nothing. I'm just completely done with pretending that I can take this anymore, and I can't talk to anyone about this. 

I'm too weak to submit to a God that loves unconditionally. I'm too weak to spend 100 hours of meditating in a room, pretending like i don't care about the outside world where others get laid and love because of their looks, and all the other rat behavior. I am a rat and I want rat things. I can't help it.

Every chance at socialization of some sort seems to lead to some sort of socialized ideology like a socialist club or a religion. Maybe I should just sacrifice the Truth in my life to join some sort of club like this and have a chance at a girlfriend. I just hate being a fake person, but maybe that is the price that needs to be paid. 

I fucking hate that my parents raised me so loosely without stage blue ethics and liberalism. It leads to success only for the genetically lucky ones. Yet they would cry a river if I would kill myself. My cousin killed herself and it's fucked up to see what it does to family. If it were just the devil and me I'd followed him a while ago. But the matrix of family keeps me here, playing this game I don't want to play.

I'm sorry for the whining. Just wtf is a man to do when there is literally no playbook in modern society except get laid, get money - no moral system, no nothing. just corruption, money, nihilism, bad movies, bad art. what have we come to.
 

Edited 8 hours ago by gengar

[gengar]

I just don't see how you can think women won't bring happiness. 

Sure, if I had a couple of experiences and relationships I get that you can just say "fuck it" and do whatever you want to do next in life. 

At least you know that being desired and being able to please a woman is something you have done as a human. something you are capable of. 

Not having done it just holds you back forever. I feel like I have never started living. 

[Zen LaCroix]

The thing is NOT being able to get women can give you an existential crisis

It can fill you hopelessness and despair if you can't get a woman because if you can't them then there's no possibility of you having a family which is what most men want at some point

Its not even about happiness its about getting those base needs in Maslows Hierachy taken care of

Edited 7 hours ago by Zen LaCroix

[Lazarus93]

14 minutes ago, gengar said:

I just don't see how you can think women won't bring happiness. 

Sure, if I had a couple of experiences and relationships I get that you can just say "fuck it" and do whatever you want to do next in life. 

At least you know that being desired and being able to please a woman is something you have done as a human. something you are capable of. 

Not having done it just holds you back forever. I feel like I have never started living. 

Hey man, 

I'll be honest, I used to be like you in high school before I ascended looks-wise. I am someone who has had decent success with women after basically being invisible to them for the majority of my life, and also have had many awakenings. Here's the honest truth: If you are not able to attract any women at all through your looks, you have to leverage money, status, and charisma. However, you have to reach a very high level in each of these facets to get the women you would have gotten if you looked better.

Ik its brutal but that's just the reality of the current dating market for men. However, spending all your time ruminating about this will only send you down a rabbit hole of despair and doom if it's truly over for you like you say (which honestly you don't know for certain. Yes the dating market is getting more and more competitive, but without knowing your full potential in terms of looks/money/status/charisma, I can't say if it's really over for you or if you are just too in your own head)

I will say this though: Nothing external, including sex and a woman's love, compares to the sheer peace and joy you get from higher consciousness states. Have you tried any psychedelics? They can bring you that state where you may learn to enjoy your life despite your apparent limitations, and they can definitely help with social anxiety issues. Even before I ascended, yes I still desired sex and romance very deeply, but I was still happy with my life despite not being able to get them. This is a state of mind very hard to reach for most people who are stuck in lower consciousness states though. Yes Maslow's Hierarchy of needs is a thing and as men we are wired to seek the companionship of a woman, but despite it being very hard to do so you can definitely reach a state of consciousness where you are content despite being alone for the rest of your life. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Lazarus93

[gengar]

3 minutes ago, Lazarus93 said:

Ik its brutal but that's just the reality of the current dating market for men. However, spending all your time ruminating about this will only send you down a rabbit hole of despair and doom if it's truly over for you like you say (which honestly you don't know for certain. Yes the dating market is getting more and more competitive, but without knowing your full potential in terms of looks/money/status/charisma, I can't say if it's really over for you or if you are just too in your own head)

 

I've been battling it for years already. I've been in and out of rabbit holes of despair and doom of different kinds, including blackpill, far-right and jihadist ideologies. Their effects remain upon me.

Yes, it's basically over for me. Trigeminal and facial nerve issues have made a lot of talking and socializing impossible and it fucks up your entire nervous system by itself. 

I was molested as a youngster which made every potential sexual experience after that undoable. I tried to f a prostitute but I just got palpitations and extreme anxiety, panic even. Same with one girl that I got to kiss on a festival. I basically have an autoimmune disorder for sex and socializing, and it's probably incurable.

6 minutes ago, Lazarus93 said:

I will say this though: Nothing external, including sex and a woman's love, compares to the sheer peace and joy you get from higher consciousness states

I've had real spiritual experiences, yes. But living in this society makes it hard to go after that. If I had money I'd travel the world solo and just go for that but life doesn't work that way. I'm broke as fuck and nothing works. And a part of me doesn't want it. The devil inside me feels deeply that I have been wronged, that I deserve to get back at the world, life or even God. I want to redo life as a better looking man with less issues. That part makes me want to end myself - quite literally, the devil whispers to me that I should pack my bags and follow him into the mountains and throw myself off, to play a wager with God, whether he will send me to hell or allow me to relive my life with love and girls.  

Honestly, the thought of this world being my dream is the only thing that feels like it redeems this humiliating experience.

Thanks for your advice though bro. I hope you have a good one, I really do. 
 

[gengar]

20 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

It can fill you hopelessness and despair if you can't get a woman because if you can't them then there's no possibility of you having a family which is what most men want at some point

Its not even about happiness its about getting those base needs in Maslows Hierachy taken care of

Yes, exactly. And I'm also tired of pretending feminism has nothing to do with this. Women by themselves choose to go with the biggest devils on the block and aren't attracted to good partners. Liberal society tells them they should slut themselves out, "live their best life" (read: as selfish as possible), and that this is the hallmark of freedom that they deserve for being the victims of society since the dawn of time.  Men in turn become the worst ever because nothing rewards them anymore for being good. 

Fuck Andrew Tate, Owen Cook and all those other losers though. They are to feminism what Jekyll is to Hyde. They take advantage of those dumb women and accelerate the sick society. They are the scum of the earth.

The West is dying and it deserves to. A society that rewards evil conduct has got to go.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

I have thought about that a lot. I don't think I can do it. it requires a piety I don't think I have. All my karma wants is to experience human love.

Do Kriya yoga and it will rewire your brain and burn out your karma.

You will be happy for no reason at all.

It's far better than your current trajectory, which will end very badly.

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I can't help ii

Whether you believe you can or you can't, you're right.

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"The happiness women bring is quite minimal." This is like saying eating brings minimal happiness when it is everything for the ones who don't have it.

No.

I have sex very rarely. It's not a big deal.

I honestly get more pleasure from jerking off than most sex.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura "If you get serious abouy Kriya yoga, within a few years you can be happier than a guy who slept with 100 girls."

Wow..Leo have you discovered Kriya yoga (pranayama) as the ultimate tool for you? You don't give updates in your journey anymore in a blog post. It is interesting where your journey leads you to. I know you still do psychedelics from time to time. Do you combinate them with Kriya yoga?

[Leo Gura]

59 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura 

Wow..Leo have you discovered Kriya yoga (pranayama) as the ultimate tool for you?

It's better than any other manual method.

59 minutes ago, OBEler said:

You don't give updates in your journey anymore in a blog post. It is interesting where your journey leads you to.

I will at some point.

59 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I know you still do psychedelics from time to time. Do you combinate them with Kriya yoga?

These two things don't combine.

You can do both, but it's not a combination.

[Zen LaCroix]

I noticed a pattern here. If a thread goes on long enough it'll eventually lead to discussions of  topics of concousness, god, psychedelics and spiritual advancement practices like Kriya Yoga 

[Magnanimous]

Leo how long have you been consistently doing kriya for?

What are the happiness related benefits you've got?

[WillCameron]

9 hours ago, gengar said:

I have an acquired disability and my social anxiety is so bad that I often get palpitations when socializing.
Not saying you should feel sorry but it feels impossible after trying so many times and failing at the most basic stuff. 
Would you tell a badger that misses a paw to just go ahead and try? No, and in reality that badger fucks off and dies in a ditch somewhere. This is not me being pessimist, it's just the hard reality. 
I'm sorry if my posts are too harsh. I just have nobody to talk to and am basically giving up hope at this point. This place is the only place online where I feel like there's not complete retardation going on. 
I know I shouldn't drag this place down with my negativity, I just had the urge to rant and vent, I'll keep it cool.

I think the mistake that pickup often makes is getting trapped within their own system's success rate, thereby failing to see the systematic nature of the failure rate and then responsiblizing those men as being unwilling to take action.

In my own life, I would get panic attacks every time I went into a nightclub and it became debilitating just trying to go out. I bullied myself for not being strong enough and would try to muscle through it. What worked for me was realizing that I am a system composed of parts at various stages of development given how trauma had broken them off. Even though I displayed high degrees of emotional intelligence, antifragility, and rationality in some domains, when it came to social environments, the less developed parts of me became very triggered. All the development I'd made in other domains was basically thrown out the window, and taking "massive action" within the system of pickup became the very vehicle of my re-traumatization.

What finally helped for me was realizing that I had to become more well-rounded by addressing those parts in ways they could respond to. Relational meditative practices such as Authentic Relating and Circling can create scaffolding to help those parts heal and develop to where you need them to be. Also, don't think that nightclubs are the only place to learn game. They can be extremely effective, but if you find they're too much for you, then go to meetup.com and find hobby groups for common interests and meet people there. I made the most social development doing daygame and talking to people outside university classes while we waited for the previous class to leave.

I still haven't gone through the nightgame gauntlet and really have no desire to. I'm happy with who I am and the lifestyle I'm building and nightgame isn't a part of that. It doesn't ever need to be, but try telling that to a well-intentioned pickup guy trying to motivate you to go out. It's very easy to get locked into a certain definition of success which shapes and organizes you along a path of becoming that could ultimately damage you even worse.

What do you actually want out of your social life? Quick sex with super hot women or meaningful relationships? It's not an either/or situation necessarily, but be conscious of how what you pursue shapes and organizes what you could do, and given where you start, that may take you in the wrong direction from what you need.

Also, just as some advice, if you go to hobby groups, don't try to fuck women. Build up your base of socialization, learning to be a fun, trustworthy guy first. Another mistake the pickup system makes is to assume that you're best positioned to learn social skills by learning to sleep with women. If you're starting from a socially damaged place, then that turns you into a sex addict who is only capable of connecting with other people through pursuing sex. So not only are you at risk of being the weird guy who tries to fuck everyone at every hobby group you go to, but you're also not actually learning how to build meaningful relationships.

Edited 56 minutes ago by WillCameron