Owen Cooks Dropping BOMBS!

[Shawn Philips]

Let's focus on the main topic that Owen is good creating attraction and bad at keeping stable relationships. Honest question to Leo and others in this thread:

How do you get your women attracted when her brain stops producing rewarding chemicals and neurotransmitters like dopamine, oxytocin, since she doesnt see you as novelty, special or a challenge?

The more she knows you, the more time she spends with you the more predictable you become, the more boring.

What Owen does as the playboy lifestyle to make the woman sense that she can lose him, taht have options and is a man appreciated by others is the only way to keep the thrill going since they are addicted to emotion or drama.

Tell me other way to get the attraction, interest or sexual tension on, without acting like an immature guy scared of compromise.

[koops]

Its basically this:

 

80%+ content about this topic is just guys living in Miami, LA, Dubai etc.. or guys just parroting it.

Also 80%+ content creators are sociopathic / autistic that are chasing the stripper/onlyfans type of chick.
 

They teach you how to handle a lion, when you need to learn how to handle a cat.

Similar, but different at the same time.

 

 

 

[WillCameron]

Owen has said that he wants to completely remove any doubt and have a delusional level of self-belief. His rhetoric around frame control and how he wants to raise his children to be completely success-deluded are red flags. He's a traumatized autistic whose path to mastery were three of the most Machiavellian domains, pickup, sales, and marketing. He surrounds himself with narcissists and success-obsessives in LA.

The man has no chance but to be an extremely corrupt individual, no matter how hard he tries. It wouldn't surprise me if he's one of the most moral Machiavellian's that exist, but he is still stuck within that paradigm and cannot challenge it because he's so obsessed with not being affected by others, giving in to conformity, etc. He's like Homelander arguing himself in the mirror trying to convince himself to stop caring what anyone thinks while being desperate for their attention, but as a consequence locking himself in his worldview.

For example, he serially dates women with BPD and then convinces himself that all women are like that, so the only solution is to control the frame even more than he already did. It's a snake eating its own tail because he's so hungry for a super attractive woman who lives in LA, which is selecting for a very niche type of woman in a very toxic environment, and then learns lessons that would scare any other woman away the moment they become aware of how he operates. Great for quick sex, bad for healthy, long term relationships.

[Valach]

2 hours ago, Shawn Philips said:

Let's focus on the main topic that Owen is good creating attraction and bad at keeping stable relationships. Honest question to Leo and others in this thread:

How do you get your women attracted when her brain stops producing rewarding chemicals and neurotransmitters like dopamine, oxytocin, since she doesnt see you as novelty, special or a challenge?

The more she knows you, the more time she spends with you the more predictable you become, the more boring.

What Owen does as the playboy lifestyle to make the woman sense that she can lose him, taht have options and is a man appreciated by others is the only way to keep the thrill going since they are addicted to emotion or drama.

Tell me other way to get the attraction, interest or sexual tension on, without acting like an immature guy scared of compromise.

You have to learn how to screen for woman who are good at relatioships and not just chasing novelty all the time.

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, Shawn Philips said:

How do you get your women attracted when her brain stops producing rewarding chemicals and neurotransmitters like dopamine, oxytocin, since she doesnt see you as novelty, special or a challenge?

The more she knows you, the more time she spends with you the more predictable you become, the more boring.

What Owen does as the playboy lifestyle to make the woman sense that she can lose him, taht have options and is a man appreciated by others is the only way to keep the thrill going since they are addicted to emotion or drama.

Tell me other way to get the attraction, interest or sexual tension on, without acting like an immature guy scared of compromise.

Answer: a mature, conscious woman.

Reality: one that is also phyiscally attractive is almost impossible to find.

That’s why dating for me is such a low value thing nowadays.

[bazera]

23 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Answer: a mature, conscious woman.

Reality: one that is also phyiscally attractive is almost impossible to find.

That’s why dating for me is such a low value thing nowadays.

How do you see your future in that regard? If you think that combo is so rare, do you see yourself settling with less attractive woman?

Maybe we won't care about attractiveness that much as we age. But that's a big if.

[Joseph Maynor]

Whatever you're making money on is how your ego will show up in the world to a certain extent.  He's in the business of being a dating coach.  That's his bread and butter.

[Miguel1]

48 minutes ago, bazera said:

How do you see your future in that regard? If you think that combo is so rare, do you see yourself settling with less attractive woman?

Maybe we won't care about attractiveness that much as we age. But that's a big if.

”A useful eight”

In all honesty, I don’t know yet how to go about it. I am not in a rush.

If it comes to it, I will be alone for the rest of my life. That’s fine.

I am not sure how satisfied I can be with a stage green who is ”7-8” in looks. Perhaps I can be happy with that. Need to try.

The issue is stage green in itself is not enough, but there needs to be other stuff developed too.

Edited 2 hours ago by Miguel1

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, koops said:

Its basically this:

 

80%+ content about this topic is just guys living in Miami, LA, Dubai etc.. or guys just parroting it.

Even in those places there are many normal hard-working girls who aren't into clubbing.

The problem is that clubbing is a very narrow activity and people who do it chronically are not wife material.

Ideally you want a girl who doesn't club. But then how do you find her?

You want more introverted girls.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Zenterus]

4 hours ago, Shawn Philips said:

Let's focus on the main topic that Owen is good creating attraction and bad at keeping stable relationships. Honest question to Leo and others in this thread:

How do you get your women attracted when her brain stops producing rewarding chemicals and neurotransmitters like dopamine, oxytocin, since she doesnt see you as novelty, special or a challenge?

The more she knows you, the more time she spends with you the more predictable you become, the more boring.

What Owen does as the playboy lifestyle to make the woman sense that she can lose him, taht have options and is a man appreciated by others is the only way to keep the thrill going since they are addicted to emotion or drama.

Tell me other way to get the attraction, interest or sexual tension on, without acting like an immature guy scared of compromise.

You're in the wrong paradigm brother.

You see people in relationships everyday when you walk down the street. You think all these men in healthy, happy relationships with attractive women are doing all this bullshit to keep her entertained and around?

Fuck no.

Listen bro, I've been in the game for 10 years and I'm telling you the highest form of game doesnt rely on push pulls, negs, spikes, dopamine, or whatever else you said.

It relies on who you are as a man.

It's about your vibe, your values, your subtle dominance, the way you carry yourself through life, your masculinity, your humour, your WAY OF BEING!

All pickup techniques are pointing you in this direction.

The goal isnt to become the world best manipulator. It's to become a cool guy. Thats what pickup techniques are emulating: Cool Guys. They're a vehicle -- training wheels -- to get you there, not the destination itself. 

Once you reach that point, game becomes super easy. You show up as a self loving strong man and the right women get drawn in and are hooked for life.

They dont need you to keep DOING shit for them to stay. They're deeply attracted to you. To your ESSENCE.

Game is just a tool to get you there bro. 

And I understand this might be too high level for you. A lot of guys have to go through the journey before they finally realize they're enough, because they come from such a low place and have such a low perception of themselves that the only way they could picture a girl liking them is by DOING something more than just showing up. It doesn't compute that they can just BE.

"I was being myself my whole life and no girl ever wanted me, so this is BS advice! Teach me the game, tell me how to do or become something MORE than what I am, because who I am is inherently not enough!"

And that's because who you currently are is insecure, lacking self respect, supplicative, negative, unloving, bitter, resentful.

The journey of pickup will eventually strip that all away by first giving you technique as a band aid solution until you slowly realize how your internal world is holding you back and finally make the decision to fucking LOVE YOURSELF. 

Then everything becomes easy.

 

Good luck on your journey brother.

[AION]

Summary: "Average Men Can Date Baddies By Simply Doing THIS..."

The Core Thesis: Looks and Money Are Secondary

The speaker argues that the two biggest delusions most men carry are that they could win a fight (despite zero training) and that they know how to attract women (despite never having done a cold approach). Most men met their last girlfriend passively — through work or social circles — and mistake that for dating competence. The speaker's central claim is that internal state, not external traits like appearance or wealth, is the primary driver of attraction. He backs this up by sharing that he successfully dated women while literally in a wheelchair after a severe ski accident, which he presents as definitive proof that looks and physical status are not prerequisites.

"Being in State": The Foundation of Attraction

The most important concept in the video is what the speaker calls being "in state" — essentially a flow state where you feel confident, relaxed, self-amused, and completely comfortable in your own skin. When you're in state, whatever you're feeling gets transmitted to the woman through mirror neurons. She can sense that you don't need validation, approval, or anything from her. You become a "value giver" rather than a "value leech."

The speaker uses vivid analogies: you become like the sun (plants move toward it, but it wants nothing), like great music (people gravitate toward it naturally), or like a great meal (it offers itself without demanding anything). The key insight is that most men who aren't conventionally attractive or wealthy feel out of state precisely because they believe they don't measure up — and it's that insecurity women are actually rejecting, not the man's appearance. The man then falsely concludes "I'm not good-looking enough," when the real issue was his internal state.

He references Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now as a good resource for cultivating the kind of radical presence that underlies this state, alongside the Bhagavad Gita and the Tao Te Ching.

The Warm-Up Process: Getting Into Flow

Even the speaker himself admits that after a draining workday, his first hour of social interaction tends to be too logical, over-analytical, and stuck in the head. He explicitly does not drink alcohol or use any substances as a shortcut into state. Instead, he advocates simply persisting through the awkward phase — keep talking to people, and eventually you'll hit your rhythm. He compares this to a basketball player shooting their way into a hot streak, with the added advantage that unlike basketball, there's no game clock — you have unlimited "shots."

By the third or fourth hour (which is when the night actually matters, since that's when people are deciding where to go), you're "on fire." This is true regardless of looks, wealth, or physical condition.

What the Interaction Actually Looks Like

Once you're in flow, the interaction unfolds through several phases:

Phase 1 — Vibing, not lecturing. You match the social context. She's done with work; she wants to have fun. Talking about heavy or logical topics to a stranger is a mismatch. The speaker compares this to clickbait — when someone has zero investment in you yet, you need a hook, and that hook is making her feel good and smile.

Phase 2 — Social proof and competition. While talking to one girl, you casually engage others who walk by. This creates preselection — she perceives you as the highest-status, most socially confident person in the venue. Even if you're not conventionally attractive, being the most charismatic and socially dominant person in the room trumps looks. The speaker describes watching women's "gears grinding" as they rationalize being attracted to someone outside their usual type.

Phase 3 — Screening and "shit tests." Both parties test each other through playful push-pull dynamics. You might teasingly challenge her ("Are you a vibe or are you stuck up?"), and she'll test you back ("You're such an asshole"). The critical mistake is failing her test by becoming defensive or approval-seeking — e.g., saying "No, I'm really a nice guy." The correct response maintains your frame and flips it with humor.

Phase 4 — Tension maintenance. The speaker warns against making out too early, comparing it to a cat chasing a laser pointer — once the cat catches it, it loses interest. Premature validation (like an eager make-out) can kill the tension. You want her to remain slightly uncertain about whether she fully "has" you.

Phase 5 — The invite. You move her through small adventures — across the venue, introduce her to friends, suggest a bite to eat or an afterparty. Each step she takes with you deepens her investment. The key is to stay non-needy throughout.

The Psychological Danger Zones for Beginners

The speaker maps out a brutally honest learning curve. At first, you'll fail within seconds of starting a conversation. Then you'll get five minutes in before blowing it. Eventually you'll hold a great interaction for an hour but collapse near the finish line out of nervousness and desperation — like a surfer who always bails right before the shore.

When you finally have your first success, the danger is that you'll beg her to be your girlfriend because you never want to face the fear of approaching again. She'll initially agree (because she likes you), but will quickly dump you because your desperation is transparent. This sends you into a depression spiral — but it's a necessary part of the process.

The Deeper Identity Shift

The speaker emphasizes that this can't remain a tactic — it must become a genuine identity-level transformation. The philosophical framework he advocates is a paradox: maintain high intention (go out, talk to people, take action) combined with freedom from outcome (don't need anything specific to happen). He connects this to the spiritual principle of "let go and let God" — genuinely learning to enjoy the process of connecting with people for its own sake.

He invokes the Reticular Activation System (RAS) — the brain's selective focus mechanism — to explain why this works: when you genuinely hold the frame that you are the person of value, the selector, the better vibe, the woman's brain will filter out what she doesn't find ideal about you and place a halo effect on what she does like.

Broader Life Applications

The speaker closes by arguing these are fundamentally social skills with wide applicability. People who develop this kind of social mastery often become excellent public speakers, salespeople, and content creators. He frames it as a lifelong skill that every young person should begin developing as early as possible — and positions the entire process as ultimately being about overcoming your own limiting beliefs, not about manipulating others.

[Leo Gura]

“Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction.” -- Timothy 6:9-10

“The man trusting money and wealth will fall and be destroyed, while he with a righteous life will be protected and prospered.” -- Proverbs 11:28

“No one can serve two masters. You cannot serve both God and money.” -- Matthew 6:24

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

“Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction.” -- Timothy 6:9-10

“The man trusting money and wealth will fall and be destroyed, while he with a righteous life will be protected and prospered.” -- Proverbs 11:28

“No one can serve two masters. You cannot serve both God and money.” -- Matthew 6:24

What a coincidence. That latest video that just got released  is just about that topic. I posted it above your post.

Edited 2 hours ago by AION

[Miguel1]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You want more introverted girls.

I’ve learned to appreciate this fact more and more. Introverted and ”shy” girls are the key.

The less they are into clubbing, the better.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I’ve learned to appreciate this fact more and more. Introverted and ”shy” girls are the key.

The less they are into clubbing, the better.

Hijab game!

[Miguel1]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hijab game!

Your humour is hijab 

[Miguel1]

Extroverted girls are like charismatic guys with game.

They are very emotionally fun in the beginning but hard to build a proper functional relationship with. The more extroverted a girl is, the harder it is to keep them happy in a relationship.

In simplified terms.

Edited 1 hour ago by Miguel1

[Leo Gura]

I love finding me a girl who lives under a rock

[AION]

Nerdy girls are the best. Innocence and repressed sexuality. Pffff. 

[Miguel1]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I love finding me a girl who lives under a rock

That’s basically you 

Or should I say under the desert.

But good luck for two under the rock person to find each other, lol.

Edited 34 minutes ago by Miguel1