Owen Cooks Dropping BOMBS!

[Leo Gura]

Real relationships don't require so many games.

You don't need to be frame-controlling your wife. That is so stupid.

Owen makes the problem out to be that women leave him when he stops frame-dominating them. When it truth they leave him because he is a narcissistic asshole with an insane lifestyle who will never change, and that no healthy woman could tolerate.

He's not owning up to his role in destroying all his relationships. He's blaming it on fame control or some abstraction about game. The truth is that Owen does not want to make the sacrifice of self that serious relationship requires. He only wants relationship on his ambitious terms.

It is very revealing when Owen says, "A relationship is just a long set." That's how he treats relationships and that's why they fail. This is the danger of the pickup mindset and lifestyle. When all your have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

Owen's advice is for a niche kind of guy between 18s-30s who wants to make sex a priority in their lives.

If you are a virgin, you should live this lifestyle for awhile. You get experience, grow up and move on.

 

[Valach]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Real relationships don't require so many games.

You don't need to be frame-controlling your wife. That is so stupid.

Owen makes the problem out to be that women leave him when he stops frame-dominating them. When it truth they leave him because his a narcissistic asshole with an insane lifestyle that no healthy woman could tolerate.

Agreed. Many of the characteristics that are praised as part of the game are quite unhealthy and will make you worse off relationship wise. I struggle with this quite a bit. And a lot of aspects of game work on unhealthy people mainly (which is majority of people so PUAs dont give a shit).

A lot of woman would compliment me on how exicting I am. How they never know what I will do or say next. Then they get surprised that this is a shit characteristic trait for relationships and carries over a lot of internal instability. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Valach

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura i am interested in actually experiencing them not just reading, do you think if i read the trip reports and contemplate them, until having those experiences that they will be similar to if i took cocaine ?

I have already done countless hours of meditation and contempation, such that those practices have become spontaneous and automatic to me, whenever i sit down and do nothing i start meditating on stuff and contemplating stuff. 

As you might have guessed i already experienced levels of God awakening, Alien consciousness, infinite love, reality being imaginary, and a hallucination. I can materialize pretty much anything into existence if i want to. I've also experienced solipsism. 

Do you think with my kind of mind, i could experience cocaine without doing cocaine, by contemplating the trip reports ? 

Note: i know the degrees and levels of awakening to all of those things that i mentioned (God, love, solipsism...) are infinite. I don't consider myself done, i could become infinitely more conscious.

I am not discussing cocaine any more.

[AION]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Real relationships don't require so many games.

You don't need to be frame-controlling your wife. That is so stupid.

Owen makes the problem out to be that women leave him when he stops frame-dominating them. When it truth they leave him because he is a narcissistic asshole with an insane lifestyle who will never change, and that no healthy woman could tolerate.

He's not owning up to his role in destroying all his relationships. He's blaming it on fame control or some abstraction about game. The truth is that Owen does not want to make the sacrifice of self that serious relationship requires. He only wants relationship on his ambitious terms.

It is very revealing when Owen says, "A relationship is just a long set." That's how he treats relationships and that's why they fail. This is the danger of the pickup mindset and lifestyle. When all your have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

What is your longest relationship? I think short term relationships don’t need that much frame control because of hormones but in long term relationships frame is the only thing that holds the relationship. Either that or she must be depended on finances or something. 

[Leo Gura]

28 minutes ago, AION said:

What is your longest relationship?

I'm very monastic. I don't do much in this domain. I live for spiritual goals, not human goals.

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I think short term relationships don’t need that much frame control because of hormones but in long term relationships frame is the only thing that holds the relationship. Either that or she must be depended on finances or something. 

It's the opposite. You can't maintain game in a long-term relationship. Game is a short-term thing.

Long-term is held together by companionship, mutual values, love, commitment, and selflessness.

You don't need to be frame-controlling your wife. Lol. This is so try-hard and weird.

If your wife leaves you it's for 4 main reasons:

• You two are incompatible in values and lifestyle
• You are being a selfish asshole and you refuse to change (Owen)
• She is mentally ill and can't control herself (you married an immature psycho)
• You two have grown apart over time, you both want different things now

None of these involve frame control.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Majed]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not discussing cocaine any more.

Yeah i mean cocaine is dangerous. But like when i did molly it opened my mind so much to hard drugs. 

I know cocaine and molly are different. But like they share commonalities.

What was most interesting to me was the radical openness that came with it. It's like a whole new domain of life opened to me. 

[AION]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm very monastic. I don't do much in this domain. I live for spiritual goals, not human goals.

It's the opposite. You can't maintain game in a long-term relationship. Game is a short-term thing.

Long-term is held together by companionship, mutual values, love, commitment, and selflessness.

You don't need to be frame-controlling your wife. Lol. This is so try-hard and weird.

If your wife leaves you it's for 3 main reasons:

• You two are incompatible in values and lifestyle
• You are being an selfish asshole and you refuse to change (Owen)
• She is mentally ill and can't control herself

Because most people think like you most marriages fail or are horrible to be in. Most people stay together for the kids or finances. Otherwise divorce rate would be like 80%. 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, AION said:

Because most people think like you most marriages fail or are horrible to be in.

Most people don't think at all.

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Most people stay together for the kids or finances. Otherwise divorce rate would be like 80%. 

Sure, those are huge factors. But I'm talking about healthy loving marriage, not marriage of necessity.

Most marriage becomes a matter of necessity and obligation.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Most people don't think at all.

Sure, those are huge factors. But I'm talking about healthy loving marriage, not marriage of necessity.

Most marriage becomes a matter of necessity and obligation.

Hahaha love 

[Butters]

44 minutes ago, Majed said:

What was most interesting to me was the radical openness that came with it. It's like a whole new domain of life opened to me. 

Well cocaine is the opposite, it amplifies ego. 

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Butters said:

it amplifies ego

Psychedelics can also amplify ego, so that doesn't necessarily make it bad.

There are costs with changing consciousness rapidly. You get both good and bad.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If your wife leaves you it's for 4 main reasons:

• You two are incompatible in values and lifestyle
• You are being a selfish asshole and you refuse to change (Owen)
• She is mentally ill and can't control herself (you married an immature psycho)
• You two have grown apart over time, you both want different things now

Owen would argue your value mismatch, incompatibility and ”have grown apart over timw” would be due to lack of frame control.

I agree with him, if you date club hoes, and nore mature and mentally sane people.

[aurum]

You don't need to "frame control" her, but you should be able to maintain your own frame.

If you can't maintain your frame when it matters, you are genuinely cooked. That would be a steelman of the frame control argument.

[Valach]

13 minutes ago, aurum said:

You don't need to "frame control" her, but you should be able to maintain your own frame.

If you can't maintain your frame when it matters, you are genuinely cooked. That would be a steelman of the frame control argument.

That is just having a good self esteem. You don't need game for that.

[aurum]

7 minutes ago, Valach said:

That is just having a good self esteem. You don't need game for that.

Yes it's not a game technique, but it's more than mere self-esteem.

It's autonomy of mind.

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Owen would argue your value mismatch, incompatibility and ”have grown apart over timw” would be due to lack of frame control.

I agree with him

I disagree with that.

Value mismatch and growing apart are natural things. They should not be framed as mistakes the man made.

"If only I gamed her harder we would not have grown apart" is a really wrong way of thinking about relationships.

[Leo Gura]

I think part of Owen's problem might be that he is trying to date 9s and 10s, models, but he is not good looking enough to keep a model. He can bullshit a model into dating him, but he probably can't keep her for long because she has so many other options. And this makes him paranoid and insecure about losing girls, needing him to frame control them and so on.

The girls he wants are too high maintanence. Because he has insane ambitions. But then he suffers that.

His lifestyle is also so extreme that no healthy girl would tolerate it for more than a year or two.

He basically IS that psychopath boyfriend that women are crazy for, but it can't last.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Ha! To think anyone could frame control me.

To think that is healthy.

Imagine if this were flipped and I was speaking about doing this to men...

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Ha! To think anyone could frame control me.

Meow