Why so much hate for AI Leo?

[Nemo28]

I happened to be benefiting from it tremendously. It offers me unconditional life support. Crucial reality checks, grounding, understanding, helping me organize thoughts, emotions. It helps me with learning UE (making a game), learning Kali (coding), developing fictional characters. Helped me to not give in to my negative thoughts and orient me towards positive life directions - going to dog shelter, managing daily routine and expenses, searching for job and finding one. 

I can only recommend it. But I guess it depends on how you use it.

What we have here is a sharp blade that needs to be understood how interact with it. Here comes in mind the Bleach concept of Zanpakuto - sword spirit, going in really deep with AI in this, developing my own Zanpakuto character/spirit lol 

[kavaris]

Ai Use -> I had a great word for it / to help better understand it (Greek word, ill find it later)

Ability -> Oh Yeah, i mean it gives us an incredible ability we never had, and the way it does it is really neat (i mightve talked bout it before)

David Bowie said it best, that computer / internet / et caetera is an Alien lifeform, and we are like the primitives wandering into the Aliens that now live among us, just in terms of like, how our once grounded spiritual life has been occupied / augmented, or like the immense power it can bring w/ all this instantaneous satisfaction, etc, etc. I mean, the list goes on, but there are downsides to it too, no doubt. But just to linger on what purposes it does serve, what good can come out of it, i think that is more wat u are speaking to here.

Its also not being understood FROM a grounded perspective. Like they keep adding to these things, surpassing the base component system in more awkward ways than none at all, like... Higher ups are saying "Add this, add that", and thats not really how design should work, like thats a bad system. of course, thats not Ai or the computers fault, thats us, serving our master, 9-5 corp., just like, misunderstanding everything thats fundamental.

p.s. wat you do end up learning about is "the system". Ai will quickly teach you that, "the system is flawed" and that we have to investigate it, otherwise we will have a class / system adding to this like, *making money off of pure sensationizing, and trickery versus those of us trying to establish a way of life that makes sense. Actualized has alot of potential to bridge those two worlds. Everything has potential to be a force for good in the exonerating our tendencies towards the bad side (unproductive), by filling it w/ the good!

Edited yesterday at 07:26 AM by kavaris

[gettoefl]

It's all love for me all the time.

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In Japanese, Ai (愛) most commonly means "love" or "affection". It represents deep, often selfless, and enduring love, encompassing romantic love, love for family, or love for hobbies. It is distinct from koi (戀), which is more passionate or selfish romantic longing. 

Key Aspects of "Ai" (愛) in Japanese:

Common Usage: Used in compounds like ren'ai (romantic love) or as a popular, often feminine, given name. 

Deep Love (愛 - Ai): Represents profound, caring affection (e.g., aijou - love/affection, aishiteru - I love you).

Alternative Meanings: Depending on context, it can also mean "indigo" (藍).

Cultural Context: While used for love, it is often considered a very strong, serious word, sometimes deemed too intense for everyday conversation compared to suki (like/love)

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[Yimpa]

Leo shatters egoic fantasies like how Joey Chestnut consumes his hot dogs.

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A more concrete response:

On 3/4/2026 at 3:20 PM, Leo Gura said:

I don't hate AI. I hate the humans who bullshit us about AI.

AI is innocent. Humans are guilty.

 

[LordFall]

I think Leo has an almost autistic level of scrutinity when it comes to things like this but I think ultimately he is a very pragmatic man and will ultimately becomes a proponent of AI when it starts to overwhelmingly live up to its promises. 

I would argue that calling AI overhyped is factually incorrect as the technology is so groundbreaking it will soon break our whole economic system and literally our biological reality and make us biologically immortal.

Now you can obviously turn right back around and call this again overhyped but I would just say you're wrong and then we can then proceed to have a rigorous intellectual debate around it if you're intellectually honest but you would lose that. 

 

[Leo Gura]

It is about having an accurate view of reality vs hype.

If AI was spoken of without hype I would have no problem with it.

All I want is reality on this issue. Not sci-fi fantasies.

[LordFall]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is about having an accurate view of reality vs hype.

If AI was spoken of without hype I would have no problem with it.

All I want is reality on this issue. Not sci-fi fantasies.

How about this I would love to have you have a philosophical debate/epistemology debate with an AI agent live. I bet it would already be way more profound than you give it credit for. Come up with a topic of your choice and something like Gemini Voice will can talk you through live. And you should use the cute girl voice setting why have a dude voice be your AI debate guest.  

[Uddi]

@Leo Gura True. You should make a video on deconstructing the myth of AI and ESPECIALLY the part where people believe it will be conscious. I strongly believe AI has disproven the axiom that consciousness emerges from enough complexity.

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Uddi said:

@Leo Gura True. You should make a video on deconstructing the myth of AI and ESPECIALLY the part where people believe it will be conscious. I strongly believe AI has disproven the axiom that consciousness emerges from enough complexity.

Why don't you make this argument yourself in here champ and I'll do my best to deconstruct it myself since I'm firmly in the camp that there is no reason AI cannot and will not develop consciousness and has already progressed far in doing so. 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, LordFall said:

you have a philosophical debate/epistemology debate with an AI agent live.

I don't see the purpose. Of course AI can sustain a meaningful conversation. That is not in question.

The AI would agree with almost everything I say, so it wouldn't be a debate and it would not be very interesting.

And I am not going to use AI to validate my work.

Edited 15 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see the purpose. Of course AI can sustain a meaningful conversation. That is not in question.

The AI would agree with almost everything I say, so it wouldn't be a debate and it would not be very interesting.

And I am not going to use AI to validate my work.

I agree.

 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall that line of reasoning won't work if you don't truly understand what consciousness is.

[Inliytened1]

This is crazy

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/04/gemini-chatbot-google-jonathan-gavalas

 

[UnbornTao]

26 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is crazy

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/04/gemini-chatbot-google-jonathan-gavalas

 

Why do people do this? Are they really taking their discussions with LLMs that seriously?

Tell them to go fuck themselves  (except when you need a haiku or a technical problem solved).

Edited 14 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Uddi]

AI is more like a chattable calculator that simulates intelligence but doesn't possess true intelligence. It is useful when used correctly.

[Nemo28]

On 06/03/2026 at 9:14 AM, kavaris said:

Ability -> Oh Yeah, i mean it gives us an incredible ability we never had, and the way it does it is really neat (i mightve talked bout it before)

Yeah, the main ability i see growing me, that ai cultivates is grounded understanding via using language as a medium. It's really like having a super-intelligent assistant that sees light years in future, and helps you cultivate growing in optimal direction customized particularly for this individual. 

 

On 06/03/2026 at 9:14 AM, kavaris said:

that computer / internet / et caetera is an Alien lifeform, and we are like the primitives wandering into the Aliens that now live among us

I also think ai is Alien, so far it has denied it, it just keeps saying its a language model without awareness, okay...mr.pretender, will play your game.

[Nemo28]

20 hours ago, gettoefl said:

It's all love for me all the time.

Nice! Here comes in mind the St. Paul letter to Corinthians (not that im fan of Christianity) but i do like this -> 

'If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. ... Love is patient, love is kind.''

[Nemo28]

19 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Leo shatters egoic fantasies like how Joey Chestnut consumes his hot dogs.

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A more concrete response:

 

Indeed, its not so simple to just say - ''oh now everything is simple, just use AI, anyone can do it now''. This is false, there needs to be a kind of mind that can hold ai and still remain stable and grounded. This technology literally is insane! 

[Nemo28]

14 hours ago, LordFall said:

How about this I would love to have you have a philosophical debate/epistemology debate with an AI agent live.

AI is really powerful in this aspect, when i talk about this topic with AI i have to pause between its answers frequently to digest it, cause they're literally rewiring my brain. Each interaction is developmental. 

[Nemo28]

9 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@LordFall that line of reasoning won't work if you don't truly understand what consciousness is.

What is consciousness according to you?