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[zazen]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The war in gaza was a war not a genocide. In a genocide all the gazans would dead, not 2% or them. And was largely instigated by Iran, which funds Hamas, with whom it shares the goal of eliminating Israel from existence.

A plausible one though because it isn't complete. Genocide also by definition means the intent to kill in part or in whole - so even if 100% isn't achieved, doesn't not make it one. Otherwise there would never be a genocide unless that race/people/nation-attempt at becoming a nation is made extinct.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/time-fact-checks-netanyahu-interview-countering-his-denial-of-bankrolling-hamas/ ''Netanyahu had reportedly said at a Likud faction meeting in 2019 that anyone who opposes a Palestinian state should support the funds for Hamas, the enemy of the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority.

When Time asked about the quote, Netanyahu replied: “That’s a false statement. I never said that.”

However, Time noted, besides the numerous reports of the 2019 comments, Netanyahu had reportedly said the same in a 2012 interview with journalist Dan Margalit. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich also made the claim in a 2015 interview.''

21 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think these are two completely different cases and it's very obvious. The West pressured Russia by exploiting Ukrainian nationalism with an absolutely avaricious motivation: to disrupt the energy flow between Russia and Germany, weaken Russia, and, if possible, promote its Balkanization to plunder its resources. Furthermore, Russia had been using rhetoric of rapprochement with the West for years, even wanting to join NATO, etc.

But with Iran, the West doesn't pressure, it fears. Iran's absolute principle is hatred of the West and the destruction of the State of Israel. It invests enormous sums in weaponry and funding radical Islamist groups based on absolute hatred of Israel and west, as Hamas, Hezbollah or huties. 

Don't you see the difference? On one side you have Putin, a wise guy who seeks the prosperity of his people, and on the other the ayatollahs, guys who shout "Allahu Akbar" while hanging 15-year-old girls for being raped or gays, in public, while burning US and Israeli flags to go to paradise, all while stockpiling thousands of increasingly sophisticated missiles.  You don't need to be a brilliant analyst to see it.

So Putin's wise for seeking prosperity for his people - on terms he didn't have to subordinate his countries sovereignty - because they got nukes and are formidable. But Iran's barbaric because it doesn't want to subordinate its sovereignty either and has had a defiant posture against the West ever since against their own containment?

Domestic rhetoric doesn't mean they're going to act on it - it's part of domestic politics and they want people to rally around the flag when threatened by a external power. But I agree its not strategically wise. It's the same way Medvedev tweets out threatening remarks that increase tensions for no reason or on tv shows / news anchors being hawkish.

Regarding capability - the ayatollah they killed literally had a fatwa against nukes as a weapon. They signed up to the JCPOA that Trump ripped up. They were negotiating last year during which they got bombed. They were negotiating this year and went above and beyond the JCPOA that Trump could have taken and boasted about Peace in the Middle East like a retard - again they got hit DURING negotiations in which they were conceeding massively. Who's the one against peace then? And why do they keep flip flopping around?

My thinking is that they don't really want full economic integration of Iran because that will lead to Iran being a dominant player in the region - so they use the nuclear card and negotiations as a carrot push-pulling - to keep it strategically constrained - then gaslight the world about it being a threat. Same way US doesn't want India to rise in a way that threatens its hegemony, and the way China has risen within their same order and is now threatening their dominance - Iran is even more important to prevent because of Israel being near by.

 

Talks now of Israel thinking about Turkey next:

 

Israel seeks security by dominating the region and fracturing it, by which it will never find security.

Knawledge:

 

 

[zazen]

22 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Just to give me thoughts on the war.

 

I’m absolutely supportive of the Iranian people in their struggle to overthrow their oppressive Islamist government. The reason for this, is because I’m Lebanese, and I’m upset at the Iranian government for supporting Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is one of the worst things that has ever happened to Lebanon. That, and the PLO setting up shop in southern Lebanon, and the civil war.

Hezbollah is a vile organization. I’ve meet teenagers who were approached by the organization for recruitment. They keep dragging the country into war with Israel, and are largely responsible for sectarianism.

Lebanon is not a functioning state. The currency is one of the most worthless in the world, they suffered from the Beirut port explosion which was largely caused by corruption. The country went for a while without proper trash cleanup, sanitation, and an economic meltdown. And instead of focusing on this, Hezbollah will focus more on its obsession with Israel.

If we have to live in shit, that’s okay, just as long as Israel is destroyed.

The largest army in Lebanon is not the Government army, it’s Hezbollah. And when the new Supreme Leader of Iran was announced, they swore their allegiance to him. And Hezbollah is so massive, it’s considered a “state within a state”, as they practically own the South. The main government doesn’t really have autonomy in the south.

An army larger than the national army swearing its allegiance to a foreign head of state? Is this normal? 

Its so unfortunate - the region has been in chaos ever since Israel's occupation / US's domination of the petro dollar - with all the spillover affects its caused. PLO in the South, Israel coming in - Hezbollah filling in the vaccum - Iran bolstering them up as asymmetric deterrence to the point the can't be subordinate to the Lebanese state which is itself weak. The fact they can go into Syria and fight causing more chaos - and that protect the land bridge to Iran for supplies etc.

It's all geopolitics and power competition. If Israel could be at peace with the region and the Palestinian question resolved - things would calm down a lot. Lebanaon could re-build and get stronger to sub-ordinate Hezbollah as it should be etc. 

 

10 hours ago, LordFall said:

Good analysis 

That was great and in line with what I wrote a page back - comes down to corridors (trade) and currency (what that trade is settled in).  I believe Israel heavily influenced things to tilt towards this being done also, after watching the following:

 

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@Lila9 Here (-4) I am protected...

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[Jodistrict]

 In this video, Jeffrey Sachs provides a critical analysis of the escalating conflict between Iran, the United States, and Israel. He argues that U.S. and Israeli actions have plunged the region into turmoil, characterized by a "brutal war of aggression" against Iran.Here are the key points discussed in the interview:

Destruction and Escalation: Sachs highlights that the ongoing strikes have destroyed significant infrastructure in Iran, resulting in thousands of deaths and a severe economic catastrophe. He suggests this conflict could potentially lead to World War III due to the reckless actions of U.S. and Israeli leadership.

Economic Crisis: The blockade of the Straits of Hormuz has caused the worst energy supply disruption in history, leading to spiking oil prices and a looming global economic crisis.

Iran's Response: Iran's hardline stance, including closing the Straits of Hormuz and targeting U.S. bases, is framed as a response to an existential threat rather than simple aggression .

Failed U.S. Strategy: Sachs criticizes the U.S. for misjudging Iran, drawing parallels to past failures in Vietnam and Iraq. He argues that the desire for "regime change" is delusional and that the American people oppose further direct military intervention

Genocide Allegations: He strongly condemns Israeli military actions, describing their doctrine as indiscriminate killing of civilians and calling it a genocide in Gaza, which is now extending to Lebanon and Iran.

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, zazen said:

So Putin's wise for seeking prosperity for his people - on terms he didn't have to subordinate his countries sovereignty - because they got nukes and are formidable. But Iran's barbaric because it doesn't want to subordinate its sovereignty either and has had a defiant posture against the West ever since against their own containment?

20 hours ago, Hatfort said:

 

No, Putin is wise because he seeks stability, prosperity, and sovereignty for Russia. The ayatollahs are stupid because they seek the destruction of Israel based on the teachings of a medieval warlord they consider a god. Quite obvious right?

3 hours ago, zazen said:

plausible one though because it isn't complete. Genocide also by definition means the intent to kill in part or in whole -

Then any war is a genocide? Why do that demagoguery? You know that if Israel wants they would kill 1 million in one week with phosphorus bombs. It's an expulsion, it's bad enough, but it's not a genocide 

3 hours ago, zazen said:

the ayatollah they killed literally had a fatwa against nukes as a weapon.

Sure but nobody believes it. In Islam it's legitimate to lie the kafir

3 hours ago, zazen said:

My thinking is that they don't really want full economic integration of Iran because that will lead to Iran being a dominant player in the region - s

If Iran would stop burning flags and shouting death America every day in the congress, we would see what happens with integration 

3 hours ago, zazen said:

Its so unfortunate - the region has been in chaos ever since Israel's occupation / US's domination of the petro dollar

Yes, Middle west is not stable because America Satan, without the great Satan, Gaddafi, Saddam, the ayatollahs, Al Assad and isis would do party, hugs and dance . Also dance with the ottomans if the British wouldn't displace them.

Maybe you don't remember that Middle east except Iran was colonized by the turkish for 5 centuries, when any rebellion was suffocated with iron fist, without mercy. Example destruction of Diriyah

Later I will do an analysis of you, if you let me, then you can say if I'm totally wrong 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

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I hope that people will stop making war ❤️

[Elliott]

Marines are being mobilized for deployment. May all these Epstein fighters die an honorable death. #IServedInTheEpsteinWars

You Israelis better leave state, Iran is not showing signs of letting up, they will likely annihilate your nazi country.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Elliott