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[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Muslims themselves know the issue of extremists within their own religion - Muslim states support or do counter terrorism ops all the time especially for example Pakistan in collaboration with US etc.

What about Iran? It's a country ruled by this people that you are talking about.

The question again is: why iran hates Israel? What Israel did to Iran to be hated? The Palestinian conflict? Then, the christians should hate turkey because the Armenian genocide? Why not? 

Edited yesterday at 06:23 AM by Breakingthewall

[enchanted]

 

 

[zazen]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What about Iran? It's a country ruled by this people that you are talking about.

The question again is: why iran hates Israel? What Israel did to Iran to be hated? The Palestinian conflict? Then, the christians should hate turkey because the Armenian genocide? Why not? 

In short Western empire, of which it’s a forward base. The same reason Japanese imperialism should have been hated in the past, or Soviet, or Hitlers imperialism.

Iran is a threat to that empire because it’s in a vital geography and openly defiant to bending the knee. And has the cards to do so - to a extent.

I said there wouldn’t be regime change when those protests kicked off, and that this war wouldn’t be a easy one for the US - it isn’t.

Their like a porcupine fighting a lion, all they have to do is not lose and impose significant costs via economic/political pressure.

If we understand the core of what underpins empire then many actions become clear.

Basically it’s down to trade corridors and settling that trade in the empires currency.

Venezuela and Iran are both settling trade in non-dollar, but Iran is arguably the much more vital trade corridor (Hormuz) and connecting the largest land mass on earth which can by pass it.

They are juniors co-building a parallel financial system BRICS. But the US can’t directly war with China/Russia (dragonbear) - so it goes for the weak links and attempts indirect containment to maintain primacy.

Israel has its own security concerns too - so US/Israel align on dominating the region for slightly different reasons.

Israel’s security dilemma is largely self inflicted due to dominating Palestinians and fracturing the region alongside the US.

They deserve to be hated (not the people, but the empire). Fuck them.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:23 PM by zazen

[rnd]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The question again is: why iran hates Israel? What Israel did to Iran to be hated? The Palestinian conflict? Then, the christians should hate turkey because the Armenian genocide? Why not? 

1) It's none of your, not that of the USA, business who rules Iran, what kind of people. I won't even mention that all of your information about that you receive is from the Western sources. Or have you been to Iran yourself? Lived they?

2) Nor is USA, being barely a 250-year old country, capable of understanding the 3000-year old one.

3) Why Iran hate Israel? Because the latter is an extention of USA in the middle East. Rather Israel hates Iran because it's its purpose.

Why does USA hate Iran? Because it's the only country that:

 - has a lot of natural resources in the region
 - relatively large and powerful
 - AND hasn't and won't submit to USA
 - AND - it sells oil to China
 - AND it's an ally of both China and Russia

Edited 22 hours ago by rnd

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Weren’t Jewish people historically always hated by the nations where they lived?

Even before nazi Germany, for example they were expelled in England under Kind Edward I, or in Spain, under Ferdinand II of Aragon.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, zazen said:

short Western empire, of which it’s a forward base. The same reason Japanese imperialism should have been hated in the past, or Soviet, or Hitlers imperialism.

Do you think that western "empire" is similar than japanese, Nazi or soviet? Well, I live under the horrible Satan, in Europe, and yes, I have to admit it's comparable to living under Genghis Khan. The deportations to concentration camps and the pogroms are especially hard, but you eventually get used to it. 

In your opinion, the horrible American Satanic empire is so satanic that anyone who heroically resists it, like a theocracy of thieves who murder their own people for protesting, at a rate of deaths per day 10 times higher than the invasion of Gaza, who hang 15-year-old gay boys and 16-year-old girls for having sex, is legitimate. Don't you think that this is absurd? If there is an alternative to the "empire" should be better, not worse 

Edited 20 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Weren’t Jewish people historically always hated by the nations where they lived?

Even before nazi Germany, for example they were expelled in England under Kind Edward I, or in Spain, under Ferdinand II of Aragon.

They use to hate the Jews because they were smarter. That is unforgivable. If you are a minority, you should be considered inferior, not superior.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Is there is a crime severe enough to make Breakingthewall stop playing devils advocate for the Epstein Axis (USA + Israel)? Maybe we should all ponder about that in our philosophical musings

[Atb210201]

18 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Atb210201 How are you doing there bro, are you in Tehran, how are the people handling this ?

I'm good thanks for asking.

I was in Tehran for 3 days but an explosion near my house made me pack my stuff and travel to our family's house in another city in North of Iran. It's safe here in North for now.

People are basically all waiting to see what is going to happen next.

The future is unclear but hopeful for most.

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, rnd said:

Why does USA hate Iran? Because it's the only country that:

 - has a lot of natural resources in the region
 - relatively large and powerful
 - AND hasn't and won't submit to USA
 - AND - it sells oil to China
 - AND it's an ally of both China and Russia

Saudi Arabia sells most of its oil to China, as does Iraq. The US and China are not enemies, they are partners; they depend on each other, and trade between them is enormous, much greater than trade between China and Iran

8 hours ago, rnd said:

Why Iran hate Israel? Because the latter is an extention of USA in the middle East. Rather Israel hates Iran because it's its purpose.

Then why iran hates US? Turkey, Saudi Arabia, morroco, they don't hate US and they are doing quite well. What's that of hating a country? Low IQ?

[Revolutionary Think]

 

[Wilhelm44]

9 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

I'm good thanks for asking.

I was in Tehran for 3 days but an explosion near my house made me pack my stuff and travel to our family's house in another city in North of Iran. It's safe here in North for now.

People are basically all waiting to see what is going to happen next.

The future is unclear but hopeful for most.

Glad to hear you got out of Tehran safely. My wife's parents are still in Tehran. Was the journey to the north not dangerous at all ?

[Raze]

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

 

The guy says that mojtaba jamenei is more warlike than his father, but if we consider that he is the owner of 11 mansions in billionaire road in London, another in Dubai, one hotel in Mallorca and another in Germany, hundreds of millions in gold and diamonds, and lands in Iran, with an estimate fortune over thousands of millions of us dollar, maybe we could deduce that he also likes peace and good life

[LoneWonderer]

Another viewpoint to consider.

This too.

[Hatfort]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Saudi Arabia sells most of its oil to China, as does Iraq. The US and China are not enemiesare partners; they depend on each other, and trade between them is enormous, much greater than trade between China and Iran

Then why iran hates US? Turkey, Saudi Arabia, morroco, they don't hate US and they are doing quite well. What's that of hating a country? Low IQ?

Man, we see what you are doing, constantly asking this loaded question, we were not born yesterday. You just want to put the idea that the Iranians are the hateful ones, no matter what the answer is. It's like asking why someone hates the KKK or the Nazis, trying to point them out as the hateful ones. You are not fooling anybody.

You're also using IQ and superiority rhetoric, you are basically a modern Nazi.

 

 

[Hatfort]

Here is a little look at the Western mainstream media feeding their script to the public opinion, trying to justify this illegal war of aggression and trying to undermine the economic effects that they are going to suffer because of it.

There will be no gain from this for the common people, nor short-term, nor long-term. This is a net loss.

[Breakingthewall]

49 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Man, we see what you are doing, constantly asking this loaded question, we were not born yesterday. You just want to put the idea that the Iranians are the hateful ones, no matter what the answer is. It's like asking why someone hates the KKK or the Nazis, trying to point them out as the hateful ones. You are not fooling anybody.

You're also using IQ and superiority rhetoric, you are basically a modern Nazi.

 

 

So, instead of  elaborate any answer that rebates my assessment, you say that I'm a nazi.

I asked, why the Iranian regime hates EEUU and Israel. Where is the need to hate them so openly? Do you know any other country that claims hate as main principle? The hate as main principle is precisely what means being a nazi. 

Another question: if Iranian regime killed around 25 thousand people in one month (conservative number), why you are not against iranian regime? But the Israelites killed 67 thousand in 3 years and you hate them because they are monsters. Why it's different? Why you and many other see the Iranian regime as fighters for freedom and Israelites as genocidal? Is Israel would kill people at that rate, in 3 years they would kill 1 million. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Hatfort]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

So, instead of  elaborate any answer that rebates my assessment, you say that I'm a nazi.

I asked, why the Iranians hate EEUU ans Israel. Where is the need to hate them so openly? Do you know any other country that claims hate as main principle? The hate as main principle is precisely what means being a nazi. 

Another question: if Iranian regime killed around 25 thousand people in one month, why you are not against iranian regime? But the Israelites killed 67 thousand in 3 years and you hate them. Why it's different? Why you and many other see the Iranian regime as fighters for freedom and Israelites as genocidal? Is Israel would kill people at that rate, in 3 years they would kill 1 million. 

You're using loaded questions. Iranians are not hateful to any greater degree than any other people that don't approve of genocidal actions, which are the hateful ones, not only by word, but by action. 

You are saying some are superior and that others are inferior with a lower IQ. Man, that's Nazi shit. If you say stuff like that, I'll call you a Nazi, because that's what it is.

[zazen]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that western "empire" is similar than japanese, Nazi or soviet? Well, I live under the horrible Satan, in Europe, and yes, I have to admit it's comparable to living under Genghis Khan. The deportations to concentration camps and the pogroms are especially hard, but you eventually get used to it. 

In your opinion, the horrible American Satanic empire is so satanic that anyone who heroically resists it, like a theocracy of thieves who murder their own people for protesting, at a rate of deaths per day 10 times higher than the invasion of Gaza, who hang 15-year-old gay boys and 16-year-old girls for having sex, is legitimate. Don't you think that this is absurd? If there is an alternative to the "empire" should be better, not worse 

Is Iran trying to create a global empire/order under which it wants the world to live? No, so don't panic.

Does opposing imperialism against countries mean you endorse the countries being predated on? Also no. I've shared the bad of Iran - imam of peace/PBD podcast where he goes into it.

You understand Western imperialism against Russia being bad, but when it comes to Iran its good because of your anti-Islam bias.

You know that saying ''hard times creates hard men, that create good time that create soft men'' - in the same way hard times creates hard liners too. Those hard times come heavily from external geopolitical pressures such as - being historically couped and strategically contained ever since.

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Saudi Arabia sells most of its oil to China, as does Iraq. The US and China are not enemies, they are partners; they depend on each other, and trade between them is enormous, much greater than trade between China and Iran

I'll relate above answer to this. A countries geopolitics is downstream of the cards its dealt - the geo in geopolitics is for geography - the real material world that then informs the countries structural stregnths and weakness.

Trade alone shows nothing, its on what terms that trade is done - what do you need to give up in order to be able to be part of the Western system ie how much autonomy or soverignty. The gulf countries being weak and small, feeling vulnerable in the region made the deal from THEIR position, to be under US security architecture in exchange for trading their oil in dollars - petro dollar. But we can now see what having bases in your country does - sucks you into the geopolitics of the super power patron - at your own expense and discontent. Now the gulf is suffering and stuck in a quagmire it hopes is resolved.

Now - China occupies a different position and simply due to its sheer size and scale has leverage against the empire imposing itself. It trades with the US - but on terms that don't give away its autonomy or sovereignty to a massive degree. In the same way - Iran views its on cards and questions why they should subordinate on unfavorable terms. 

It could be a formidable power given its size, population, education levels (reasonably high especially in STEM), deep culture / civilization - and most of all its geography / resources. Its those same reasons why it resists containment, and why its contained.

The issue with integrating economically is that it can then create rivals in the system. The US learnt will try prevent that with India as we can see spoken candidly here: