Why Has Dating Collapsed? The Real Reason No One Talks About

[aurum]

She makes some fair points, but the bias is obvious.

Calling it unbiased is a stretch.

[Butters]

Can you describe in your own language what is the problem in the dating market? I'm curious. 

[CARDOZZO]

4 hours ago, Butters said:

Can you describe in your own language what is the problem in the dating market? I'm curious. 

The only problem is high standards from both sides. There is plenty of woman wanting to have sex, marry, have children.

Are they your dream woman? Probably not.

The same thing for man. 

Edited 16 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Miguel1]

4 hours ago, Elliott said:

"93% of women are undatable" ?

We have to definite what dating means. From my experience, if I were to pick random 100 girls from the street that is attractive and in the age range 20-30, I would not make at least 80% of them my wife. That's for certain. I would imagine in a place like the US, it would be worse.

Light dating where there's not much commitment, AKA, FWB? Sure I would have that with more women.

That being said, I dont see the point of FWBs in my life right now, would be a waste of energy and time.

Finally, dont take titles that are designed to play there algorithm's game too seriously. The point is that a lot of girls is not worth the hassle, depending on where you are coming from. If you are a newbie who haven't gotten much of that out of your system? Go for it!

Edited 17 hours ago by Miguel1

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, aurum said:

She makes some fair points, but the bias is obvious.

Calling it unbiased is a stretch.

I honestly don't see the value in comments like this. What are you trying to accomplish?

For example, you could point out the obvious way she is biased? Would that be more constructive to the conversation? Hmm?

[Miguel1]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

This only problem is high standards from both sides. There is plenty of woman wanting to have sex, marry, have children.

Are they your dream woman? Probably not.

The same thing for man. 

This.

For me especially, I have extremely high standards. Also, with the raise of unhealthy female's movement and other stuff, women are pushing men away and are less willing to let a man have a place in their life, and to provide proper containment for them. Obviously not talking about all women.

Teal made a video talking about this 6 years ago, and I feel like the situation has gotten worse and worse every year.

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Miguel1

[CARDOZZO]

1 hour ago, Miguel1 said:

This.

For me especially, I have extremely high standards. Also, with the raise of unhealthy female's movement and other stuff, women are pushing men away and are less willing to let a man have a place in their life, and to provide proper containment for them. Obviously not talking about all women.

Teal made a video talking about this 6 years ago, and I feel like the situation has gotten worse and worse every year.

 

Sure. All this incel, femcel, MGTOW, redpill movements are just symptoms of human expectations that was never met.

They have a ideal woman/man on their heads and how they should behave. They go to reality and they do not see it. 

I guarantee you that if you lower your standards/expectations toward the opposite sex, you will never be alone anymore. 

The "male loneliness epidemic" is over. You have girls, you have sex, you have relationships. Are they what you want? Probably not. Are they perfect? No. 

They both want the perfect one. They want the total package (beauty, intelligence, humor, good personality).

[Jannes]

Wait what!? 63% of men in the 18-29 age group are single while only 34% of women in that age group are single!??

So girls nowadays rather want a piece of chad then settle down with a beta for themselves? Thats what the data is suggesting. 

I wonder to which degree something like this affects politics. 

[Ulax]

40 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Wait what!? 63% of men in the 18-29 age group are single while only 34% of women in that age group are single!??

So girls nowadays rather want a piece of chad then settle down with a beta for themselves? Thats what the data is suggesting. 

I wonder to which degree something like this affects politics. 

Thing is though, we need to know stats for the previous generation to know if anything has significantly changed.

[Raze]

I can’t get through her videos in five sittings.

These women advocating for mens dating struggles channels keep popping up and it’s obvious they don’t know or care and are just reading some script from AI because they know guys will watch it because it’s weirdly therapeutic to have a woman agreeing with you so it’s an easy way to make a quick buck.

Its so insincere and dumb.

Edited 9 hours ago by Raze

[MarkKol]

There's no way you understood what she was talking about

I'll quote one line from the video

"And that shift is incredibly destabilizing in a dating market where the majority of participants benefit from ambiguity. So rather than confronting compatibility directly, the competition will start to attack the meaning of those signals."

What the fuck is this woman talking about? Is this even English?

I see these self-help videos all the time where the creator is spitting major nonsense to resonate with an audience who values complexity and nuance, but it's not complexity or nuance; it's just fluff.

Her points make little sense to me.

Edited 8 hours ago by MarkKol

[Raze]

8 hours ago, Ulax said:

Thing is though, we need to know stats for the previous generation to know if anything has significantly changed.

I made a thread a while back when that survey came out.

It did change, it was closer in prior surveys from years before.

However that survey was a soon after COVID, as far as I know more recent surveys found the gap isn’t as extreme anymore (though still larger than before). 

So it probably inflated a bit from more people using apps after COVID. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Raze

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Jannes said:

Wait what!? 63% of men in the 18-29 age group are single while only 34% of women in that age group are single!??

So girls nowadays rather want a piece of chad then settle down with a beta for themselves? Thats what the data is suggesting. 

I wonder to which degree something like this affects politics. 

It clearly causes a lot of resentment towards men, so often when you dig down into why a woman is bashing men is because she projects her experiences onto the entire group.

Like once I read an article from a feminist about how she knew men who were sleeping with dozens of women through manipulative tactics or were pumping and dumping women one after the other, and women in the replies were saying stuff like “this is why the male loneliness crisis is good” or “I hate men”. It made me realize a lot of the man bashing is because they are referring to a small segment of men as men and not factoring in everyone else. 

[something_else]

11 hours ago, Jannes said:

Wait what!? 63% of men in the 18-29 age group are single while only 34% of women in that age group are single!??

So girls nowadays rather want a piece of chad then settle down with a beta for themselves? Thats what the data is suggesting. 

I wonder to which degree something like this affects politics. 

This misses the full picture. The situation reverses once you include older men and older women. In general the gap in this age range is explained in part by the fact that many people finally settle down around 28-32 nowadays (right on the boundary) and women tend to date men who are older by a few years.

I think in recent times there have been studies showing this gap has lowered as well. Plus, it's very US-centric.

Edited 4 hours ago by something_else

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, something_else said:

This misses the full picture. The situation reverses once you include older men and older women. In general the gap in this age range is explained in part by the fact that many people finally settle down around 28-32 nowadays (right on the boundary) and women tend to date men who are older by a few years.

I think in recent times there have been studies showing this gap has lowered as well. Plus, it's very US-centric.

It explains a little, but not that much. 

If you are a dude in the 18-29 range you likely dont want to wait for a gf until you are out of that range and when some of the women in that age group increase their percentage with an older partner, men can do the same with an older or younger partner. And men can date below that age range as well, like a 18 year old dude can date a 17 year old girl. 

It would only make sense when you say that men just need more time and emotional maturity until they can enter the dating market. I think I wanted a gf since I was like 14 though. 

Good that it is US specific. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jannes

[Miguel1]

14 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

I guarantee you that if you lower your standards/expectations toward the opposite sex, you will never be alone anymore. 

The "male loneliness epidemic" is over. You have girls, you have sex, you have relationships. Are they what you want? Probably not. Are they perfect? No. 

They both want the perfect one. They want the total package (beauty, intelligence, humor, good personality).

You are correct. And don’t get me wrong, I have been in 4 long term, serious relationships in my short life.

Mostly with girls that were not very psychologically and mentally developed (relatively speaking of course), despite being physically attractive. I always ended up outgrowing them and feeling unsatisfied in the relationship at the end, and then having to end the relationships.

I rather be alone if I cant find a proper high quality in my life. This way I don’t waste so much unnecessary time and energy on things that are not worth it for me, not at this point of my life anymore.

But not everyone should model me. I have exhausted the whole dating and sex game extensively. I no longer crave quantity. Quality is where its all for me now.

[Miguel1]

You guys are being too uptight and seemingly reactive.

She brought great points and new perspectives I have not heard of before. That was the whole point. There was zero complaining or bitching from me.

Like I said, in our culture, the general pull is that dating issues are blamed on men more so than on women, and I agree that men have responsibilities to step up too. But here I am bringing perspectives on the other side of the coin.

Nothing more, nothing less. What’s up with the aggressive tone?

If you know game, you are still gonna have it easy with the ladies. More easy than ever actually.

[Jannes]

@Miguel1 I know you dont mean me specifically, but I just didnt want to beat around the bush which is why I choose those words. 

I watched the video, she makes good points. But I dont really know what to add to that. She explains the female perspective as a female, as a men I dont have the authority to argue much with that.

Edited 1 hour ago by Jannes

[CARDOZZO]

1 hour ago, Miguel1 said:

You are correct. And don’t get me wrong, I have been in 4 long term, serious relationships in my short life.

Mostly with girls that were not very psychologically and mentally developed (relatively speaking of course), despite being physically attractive. I always ended up outgrowing them and feeling unsatisfied in the relationship at the end, and then having to end the relationships.

I rather be alone if I cant find a proper high quality in my life. This way I don’t waste so much unnecessary time and energy on things that are not worth it for me, not at this point of my life anymore.

But not everyone should model me. I have exhausted the whole dating and sex game extensively. I no longer crave quantity. Quality is where its all for me now.

I just used your response to make a larger point. It was not about you at all  

But yes - guys are crying for nothing. There are specific extreme cases of face deformation where you will have trouble finding GFs. 

This is not the majority of guys. If you are decent, you can do it. Stop complaining guys!  

 

Edited 43 minutes ago by CARDOZZO