Transcending Ego is a spiritual self-deception

[Breakingthewall]

The matter is very simple and at the same time enormously difficult.

Simple: you simply sit down to meditate for two minutes and the sensation of being a self disappears, and what remains is the totality, and the totality is absolutely nothing, and this nothing is everything. It's not a self; you are that, but it's not someone or something, it's the unlimited totality, period. Then you, the self,  see with total clarity that, as a form, you are a construct that emerges. If you were to die right now, nothing would essentially change. In any case, nothing essentially changes.

Complicated: form traps you; you are form; you can't stop being form. You change form and perceive yourself as divinity, consciousness, love, God, whatever. It's still a self. The absence of self is the absence of everything, absolute emptiness, and that emptiness is everything. Extremely simple, extremely difficult

Edited Monday at 08:05 PM by Breakingthewall

[cetus]

On 1/25/2026 at 9:35 AM, Davino said:

it's God, making it such a delicious twisted self-deception to see through and a profound reconnection into self-awareness, Self-Love and innate Awake Divinity.

There has been some interesting debate about this subject lately. We often talk about ego, but what about what could be called the -truly authentic self?

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, cetus said:

There has been some interesting debate about this subject lately. We often talk about ego, but what about what could be called the -truly authentic self?

I don't think that there is a true self and false self, there are different levels of self-density.

As a human being, there is always a self; the self is the perception of oneself as a self-preserving individual. Completely eliminating the self and becoming a monk who doesn't care about starving to death and doesn't perceive himself as an individual is perhaps the closest thing to no self or a self of minimal density, but what's the point of reaching that point?

The optimal approach seems to be a balance that allows you to avoid being trapped in egoic density, but also allows you to operate effectively as an individual, while still having the possibility of opening yourself to the limitless at certain times.

[Lyubov]

On 1/26/2026 at 8:02 PM, Ramasta9 said:

Its about Integration. The ego simply needs to feel safe, supported and loved, and it naturally surrenders and merges unto being, thus true nature. 

 

 

My experience too.

Being way too focused on the ego is a trap.

Ego deconstruction spirituality is boring and uncomfortable.

Why would I focus on and create more of something I am wishing to create less of? 

You just love and embrace more and more and more until you don’t need to play games and test yourself constantly, you just are and it’s enough and realize it’s always been this way and is enough. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:03 PM by Lyubov

[Davino]

On 27/1/2026 at 3:37 PM, Breakingthewall said:

I don't think that there is a true self and false self, there are different levels of self-density.

I like this wording 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

For me it seemed the purpose was to simply see through it for the illusion it is; it's not going anywhere. It never existed in the existential sense. Just  a bunch of conditioning. Can't kill something that never existed to begin with. So it is there - and not there. It's both. Always both with these things.

It cannot be transcended, and to even think this is possible, is bypassing, and actually enhances the contraction/conditioning of the ego itself. If we are to think we can transcend the ego - this just becomes another ground. Just like spirituality becomes another ground we must eventually do away with. Groundlessness is the aim.

The purpose of seeing the illusion is to lesson its grip. Only then was I able to create distance between my conditioned reactions and observations. Within that gap I have breathing space to witness my acuminated conditioning from life experience, and work on dissolving that conditioning. The process of letting awareness sweep through in this way, cleans up anything that puts me out of equanimity. Which brings a feeling of integration and understanding of my true nature to the forefront. Being. Presence.

Feelings are felt in a more genuine way, unobstructed by contractions of the ego. Preferences all remain. Judging experience as good/bad falls away. But the centralized 'doer' feels less present, and as a result, I feel I simply ride the flow of life. No claim to any outcome. No claim at all.

It all just becomes awe and wonder.

Great insight @Davino 

Edited 7 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[cetus]

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by cetus

[Carl-Richard]

Unless you are in a constant state of bliss, ego death, rapture, terror, no control, no past, no future, you are in identification with your illusory ego, so you might as well start treating it nice.

[Oppositionless]

On 1/27/2026 at 8:37 AM, Breakingthewall said:

 

As a human being, there is always a self; the self is the perception of oneself as a self-preserving individual. Completely eliminating the self and becoming a monk who doesn't care about starving to death and doesn't perceive himself as an individual is perhaps the closest thing to no self or a self of minimal density, but what's the point of reaching that point?

 

Right. I don't think there's a point in seeking that. When it happens it's because reality wanted it to happen, to ground more of the energy of awakening in the physical world.