YoungTurks: Israeli run the US gov

[AION]

We have to stop Jewish interests in congress

 

[zazen]

Don’t have the time atm to cleanly write what I currently understand on this topic but voice noted chat gpt and told it to tidy up my thoughts:

“It is false to say that Israel “runs” or “controls” the United States government. Power does not flow from a smaller state into the core of a global empire. The US security state, military primacy, financial system, and global reach are not subordinated to Israel or to any ethnic group. The existence of AIPAC actually demonstrates this: lobbying exists to manage and maintain alignment, not to command the system. If Israel truly ran US policy, a highly visible, resource-intensive lobby would be unnecessary.

What people are misidentifying as “control” is narrative dominance and ideological utility. Zionism does not drive US imperial strategy, but it has become one of the most effective justification layers within it—especially in the Middle East. US imperial logic (power projection, corridor control, pre-emption, primacy) predates Zionism and would exist without it. But explicit imperial language—Manifest Destiny, civilizational conquest, open domination—has become politically toxic in the post-colonial era. Zionism solves that problem by laundering older Western imperial logics through a morally sympathetic frame rooted in Jewish historical trauma and survival. It reframes domination as defense, exceptionalism as necessity, and violence as moral duty.

This is why Zionism persists far beyond religion or ethnicity. There are more Zionists in the US than in Israel, many of them secular, including elites in tech, finance, and security. For them, Zionism is not theological; it is functional. It models a hard-state doctrine that prioritizes security, pre-emption, hierarchy, and technological supremacy, while remaining morally legible to Western audiences. It provides domestic consent, elite coherence, and plausible deniability. Washington points to Israel’s “security needs,” Israel points to US backing, politicians point to voters or donors, and responsibility is diffused across the system rather than owned by the imperial core.

So the accurate formulation is this: Israel does not run the US state. Zionism operates as a powerful ideological interface inside US imperial architecture. Israel is a protected, symbiotic, junior node—indispensable in one region, but not sovereign over the system itself. Claims about “Jewish control” collapse because they confuse an effective narrative mechanism with the underlying structure of empire. The engine is imperial power; Zionism is one of the stories that keeps it socially and politically survivable.”

 

Also - these two videos:

 

[Hojo]

@zazen How can chat gpt possibly know what Isreal does and dosent do? You think they feed their special hidden tactics into the algorithm?

Christianity itself is a puppet religion of the jews.

Edited Sunday at 09:52 PM by Hojo

[Hardkill]

And what exactly does TYT plan to do about this problem from a practical standpoint?

Not once have I heard any good plans from them that have ever worked.

Edited yesterday at 02:01 AM by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

Edited yesterday at 02:07 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

I wonder how the Democrats in 2028 are ever going to win back enough of the Arab and pro-Palestinian voters they need to win in 2028 if too many Democrats are still too pro-Israel.

Edited yesterday at 02:09 AM by Hardkill

[oldhandle]

 

15 hours ago, zazen said:

Don’t have the time atm to cleanly write what I currently understand on this topic but voice noted chat gpt and told it to tidy up my thoughts:

“It is false to say that Israel “runs” or “controls” the United States government. Power does not flow from a smaller state into the core of a global empire. The US security state, military primacy, financial system, and global reach are not subordinated to Israel or to any ethnic group. The existence of AIPAC actually demonstrates this: lobbying exists to manage and maintain alignment, not to command the system. If Israel truly ran US policy, a highly visible, resource-intensive lobby would be unnecessary.

What people are misidentifying as “control” is narrative dominance and ideological utility. Zionism does not drive US imperial strategy, but it has become one of the most effective justification layers within it—especially in the Middle East. US imperial logic (power projection, corridor control, pre-emption, primacy) predates Zionism and would exist without it. But explicit imperial language—Manifest Destiny, civilizational conquest, open domination—has become politically toxic in the post-colonial era. Zionism solves that problem by laundering older Western imperial logics through a morally sympathetic frame rooted in Jewish historical trauma and survival. It reframes domination as defense, exceptionalism as necessity, and violence as moral duty.

This is why Zionism persists far beyond religion or ethnicity. There are more Zionists in the US than in Israel, many of them secular, including elites in tech, finance, and security. For them, Zionism is not theological; it is functional. It models a hard-state doctrine that prioritizes security, pre-emption, hierarchy, and technological supremacy, while remaining morally legible to Western audiences. It provides domestic consent, elite coherence, and plausible deniability. Washington points to Israel’s “security needs,” Israel points to US backing, politicians point to voters or donors, and responsibility is diffused across the system rather than owned by the imperial core.

So the accurate formulation is this: Israel does not run the US state. Zionism operates as a powerful ideological interface inside US imperial architecture. Israel is a protected, symbiotic, junior node—indispensable in one region, but not sovereign over the system itself. Claims about “Jewish control” collapse because they confuse an effective narrative mechanism with the underlying structure of empire. The engine is imperial power; Zionism is one of the stories that keeps it socially and politically survivable.”

 

Also - these two videos:

 

Would it be too absurd to argue that posts explicitly stated to have been written by AI should be against the rules of a Forum - which is explicitly a place to communicate back and forth with other humans?

[Phil King]

17 hours ago, zazen said:

but voice noted chat gpt and told it to tidy up my thoughts:

Oh wow an AI chatbot from a company ran by a gay jew told you that jews dont influence the US government. Must be True!

[fopylo]

@Leo Gura

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

You can also not stop people from supporting Palestine. At least most people who support Israel are open minded enough to have a basic conversation whereas the people shouting "from the river to the sea" are dead lost

[AION]

6 hours ago, Hardkill said:

And what exactly does TYT plan to do about this problem from a practical standpoint?

Not once have I heard any good plans from them that have ever worked.

They have a solution but you are not listening and that is the problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf-PAC

People need to organize themselves in the same way Jews are organizing themselves and becoming prey to them.

If people organize themselves for themselves, than little Jewish interests like AIPAC don't have a chance.

 

Edited yesterday at 08:26 AM by AION

[Kid A]

1 hour ago, fopylo said:

At least most people who support Israel are open minded enough to have a basic conversation

Not quite my impression. Just look at a guy like Sam Harris, who is supposed to be rational, open-minded and scientific - he hasn't had any guest on his podcast who isn't pro-Israel since 7th October, and the focus has only been on jihadism and antisemitism. 

[Raze]

3 hours ago, fopylo said:

@Leo Gura

You can also not stop people from supporting Palestine. At least most people who support Israel are open minded enough to have a basic conversation whereas the people shouting "from the river to the sea" are dead lost

They literally have organizations dedicated to trying to get people criticizing Israel fired or deported

Edited yesterday at 10:44 AM by Raze

[Ramasta9]

Jews run most of the western world, let alone the USA. The rothschild family alone are worth 500+ trillion dollars. They have robbed the whole world and have gold bars underground that go for miles. Why do you think they try make war with Russia and Islam? They are the only two forces they can never buy out. This has been ongoing a very long time. They do their best to use the worlds biggest weapon, mainstream media, to make them as the "bad guys" but people are becoming more conscious and awake to see through the bs now, its only a matter of time before the whole world knows what conspiracy realists have been sharing for decades.

Edited yesterday at 01:49 PM by Ramasta9

[zazen]

14 hours ago, oldhandle said:

 

Would it be too absurd to argue that posts explicitly stated to have been written by AI should be against the rules of a Forum - which is explicitly a place to communicate back and forth with other humans?

I've communicated with humans plenty on this exact topic - me and some OG posters here ran the Israel/Palestine thread into page 100's. I also comment longer than I should so once in a while if I transparently share something AI aided me in articulating gimme a break lol

13 hours ago, Phil King said:

Oh wow an AI chatbot from a company ran by a gay jew told you that jews dont influence the US government. Must be True!

Of course they influence - but that's different to run and control of the US. A state that depends on another for weapons, aid and diplomatic cover doesn't control the one that can cut those off.

Lobbying exists precisely because it doesn't have total command and control. There's no need for a secretive conspiratorial cabal of Jews when you have aligned interests. Lobbying helps maintain that alignment.

Israel is a a semi-dependent, highly influential node inside a much larger imperial system. A imperfect but close enough analogy is a husband-wife relationship. Say the husband (US) is the breadwinner of the house while the wife (Israel) freelances here and there. They both align on a shared destiny of family and having a baby - parallel to this is the US and Israel both wanting regional domination of the Middle East.

The wife (Israel) can influence the husband (US) on how she wants family life to look, what holidays they go on, shopping, and even when to have kids ie on her timeline vs the husbands. Parallel to this is the US not wanting to go all out against Iran but Israel pressuring them that its now or never - similar to a wife pressuring the husband ''I don't care if you feel financially stable enough, my baby fever is sky high''.

When the wife nags (Israel lecturing US it needs to go harder on Iran) or looks into the husbands phone suspecting him of cheating (Israel spying) - this causes friction but not divorce. This is tolerated because its a special relationship held by both being indispensable to each others goals and through the glue of by emotion / narrative ie  love / zionism.

 

19 hours ago, Hojo said:

@zazen How can chat gpt possibly know what Isreal does and dosent do? You think they feed their special hidden tactics into the algorithm?

Christianity itself is a puppet religion of the jews.

Just like how empire and imperialism hijacked Christianity as a justification layer for itself - so it did with Zionism. 

Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism by centuries - its a vessel for Western exceptionalism and imperialism, manifest destiny and evangelicalism - all that just so happens to converge on Israel. Zionism became the perfect moral language to launder those interests through especially in a post-colonial era where the norms of outright conquest and colonialism no longer existed.

When Westerners critique Zionism they aren't just critiquing another foreign state but are implicitly challenging the story that legitimises their own empire - which is why its politically toxic and culturally sidelined wherever possible - until it becomes too glaringly obvious that it can no longer be.

Israel is a frontier state in a valuable region for the empire (Mackinder world island) - they have much leverage because of this and are tolerated to a high degree, including their own interests being accommodated. Even if we give in to the idea that US actions in the Middle East are all or mostly for Israel - how then would we explain US actions in Latin/South America, Europe/NATO and Asia. The US empire is massive in scale and is the clear patron in this otherwise mutually beneficial relationship.

American's complain about how it doesn't benefit America or American's - but it was never meant to. It benefits the empire state not the nation state. As if the US would be on the side of national interest and not private capital interests if Israel didn't exist. 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:20 PM by zazen

[Nivsch]

On 25.1.2026 at 0:54 PM, zazen said:

This is why Zionism persists far beyond religion or ethnicity. There are more Zionists in the US than in Israel, many of them secular, including elites in tech, finance, and security

Can you translate the word Zionism into simpler words?

[BlueOak]

On 26/01/2026 at 2:09 AM, Hardkill said:

I wonder how the Democrats in 2028 are ever going to win back enough of the Arab and pro-Palestinian voters they need to win in 2028 if too many Democrats are still too pro-Israel.

They cannot.

No matter what Trump does it will never compare to ethnic cleansing or genocide. They could shoot 10,000 protestors and it wouldn't matter. Maybe if they are under direct and immediate threat, such as large scale civil unrest, which is a distinct possibility.

[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Can you translate the word Zionism into simpler words?

Fear of the other.
Supremacy of a religion.
A tool of war and conquest.