YoungTurks: Israeli run the US gov

[AION]

We have to stop Jewish interests in congress

 

[zazen]

Don’t have the time atm to cleanly write what I currently understand on this topic but voice noted chat gpt and told it to tidy up my thoughts:

“It is false to say that Israel “runs” or “controls” the United States government. Power does not flow from a smaller state into the core of a global empire. The US security state, military primacy, financial system, and global reach are not subordinated to Israel or to any ethnic group. The existence of AIPAC actually demonstrates this: lobbying exists to manage and maintain alignment, not to command the system. If Israel truly ran US policy, a highly visible, resource-intensive lobby would be unnecessary.

What people are misidentifying as “control” is narrative dominance and ideological utility. Zionism does not drive US imperial strategy, but it has become one of the most effective justification layers within it—especially in the Middle East. US imperial logic (power projection, corridor control, pre-emption, primacy) predates Zionism and would exist without it. But explicit imperial language—Manifest Destiny, civilizational conquest, open domination—has become politically toxic in the post-colonial era. Zionism solves that problem by laundering older Western imperial logics through a morally sympathetic frame rooted in Jewish historical trauma and survival. It reframes domination as defense, exceptionalism as necessity, and violence as moral duty.

This is why Zionism persists far beyond religion or ethnicity. There are more Zionists in the US than in Israel, many of them secular, including elites in tech, finance, and security. For them, Zionism is not theological; it is functional. It models a hard-state doctrine that prioritizes security, pre-emption, hierarchy, and technological supremacy, while remaining morally legible to Western audiences. It provides domestic consent, elite coherence, and plausible deniability. Washington points to Israel’s “security needs,” Israel points to US backing, politicians point to voters or donors, and responsibility is diffused across the system rather than owned by the imperial core.

So the accurate formulation is this: Israel does not run the US state. Zionism operates as a powerful ideological interface inside US imperial architecture. Israel is a protected, symbiotic, junior node—indispensable in one region, but not sovereign over the system itself. Claims about “Jewish control” collapse because they confuse an effective narrative mechanism with the underlying structure of empire. The engine is imperial power; Zionism is one of the stories that keeps it socially and politically survivable.”

 

Also - these two videos:

 

[Hojo]

@zazen How can chat gpt possibly know what Isreal does and dosent do? You think they feed their special hidden tactics into the algorithm?

Christianity itself is a puppet religion of the jews.

Edited 11 hours ago by Hojo

[Hardkill]

And what exactly does TYT plan to do about this problem from a practical standpoint?

Not once have I heard any good plans from them that have ever worked.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

I wonder how the Democrats in 2028 are ever going to win back enough of the Arab and pro-Palestinian voters they need to win in 2028 if too many Democrats are still too pro-Israel.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hardkill

[oldhandle]

 

15 hours ago, zazen said:

Don’t have the time atm to cleanly write what I currently understand on this topic but voice noted chat gpt and told it to tidy up my thoughts:

“It is false to say that Israel “runs” or “controls” the United States government. Power does not flow from a smaller state into the core of a global empire. The US security state, military primacy, financial system, and global reach are not subordinated to Israel or to any ethnic group. The existence of AIPAC actually demonstrates this: lobbying exists to manage and maintain alignment, not to command the system. If Israel truly ran US policy, a highly visible, resource-intensive lobby would be unnecessary.

What people are misidentifying as “control” is narrative dominance and ideological utility. Zionism does not drive US imperial strategy, but it has become one of the most effective justification layers within it—especially in the Middle East. US imperial logic (power projection, corridor control, pre-emption, primacy) predates Zionism and would exist without it. But explicit imperial language—Manifest Destiny, civilizational conquest, open domination—has become politically toxic in the post-colonial era. Zionism solves that problem by laundering older Western imperial logics through a morally sympathetic frame rooted in Jewish historical trauma and survival. It reframes domination as defense, exceptionalism as necessity, and violence as moral duty.

This is why Zionism persists far beyond religion or ethnicity. There are more Zionists in the US than in Israel, many of them secular, including elites in tech, finance, and security. For them, Zionism is not theological; it is functional. It models a hard-state doctrine that prioritizes security, pre-emption, hierarchy, and technological supremacy, while remaining morally legible to Western audiences. It provides domestic consent, elite coherence, and plausible deniability. Washington points to Israel’s “security needs,” Israel points to US backing, politicians point to voters or donors, and responsibility is diffused across the system rather than owned by the imperial core.

So the accurate formulation is this: Israel does not run the US state. Zionism operates as a powerful ideological interface inside US imperial architecture. Israel is a protected, symbiotic, junior node—indispensable in one region, but not sovereign over the system itself. Claims about “Jewish control” collapse because they confuse an effective narrative mechanism with the underlying structure of empire. The engine is imperial power; Zionism is one of the stories that keeps it socially and politically survivable.”

 

Also - these two videos:

 

Would it be too absurd to argue that posts explicitly stated to have been written by AI should be against the rules of a Forum - which is explicitly a place to communicate back and forth with other humans?

[Phil King]

17 hours ago, zazen said:

but voice noted chat gpt and told it to tidy up my thoughts:

Oh wow an AI chatbot from a company ran by a gay jew told you that jews dont influence the US government. Must be True!

[fopylo]

@Leo Gura

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't stop people from supporting Israel if they want to. It is a deep cultural and religious issue.

You can also not stop people from supporting Palestine. At least most people who support Israel are open minded enough to have a basic conversation whereas the people shouting "from the river to the sea" are dead lost

[AION]

6 hours ago, Hardkill said:

And what exactly does TYT plan to do about this problem from a practical standpoint?

Not once have I heard any good plans from them that have ever worked.

They have a solution but you are not listening and that is the problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf-PAC

People need to organize themselves in the same way Jews are organizing themselves and becoming prey to them.

If people organize themselves for themselves, than little Jewish interests like AIPAC don't have a chance.

 

Edited 46 minutes ago by AION

[Kid A]

1 hour ago, fopylo said:

At least most people who support Israel are open minded enough to have a basic conversation

Not quite my impression. Just look at a guy like Sam Harris, who is supposed to be rational, open-minded and scientific - he hasn't had any guest on his podcast who isn't pro-Israel since 7th October, and the focus has only been on jihadism and antisemitism.