Is "awakening" just discovering metacognition?

[Joshe]

It seems spiritual experiences are state shifts marked by metacognitive realizations. But this is not usually groundbreaking or earth-shattering for those who are  naturally highly metacognitive. 

Someone who naturally operates with high metacognition hears stories of "awakening experiences" and thinks "wait, you mean you didn't already notice that you were having thoughts? You couldn't already observe your emotional reactions as they arose? You never thought to question the stories you were telling yourself about who you are?"

When someone has lived 30 years identified with their ego suddenly realizes, "If I can see the thought, I cannot be the thought." and thinks that is a breakthrough, a highly metacognitive person feels like they're getting excited about discovering their own thumbs. lol.

What if the spiritual seeker's "profound realization" is just the introverted intuitive kid's everyday life? How can we know?

What if the metacognitive space is the substrate of spirituality and "spirituality" is simply a matter of exploring, reconfiguring, adding and/or subtracting in that space?

Edited 6 hours ago by Joshe

[Hojo]

@Joshe No but meta cognition is required to awaken. Its kinda like the universe is farming identities. You start with nothing form an identity question the identity then realize nothing again. It is exactly like returning to a child point of view. When I had my awakening my vision was like a curtain blowing in the wind and I was like bro I remeber seeing this when I was a kid in the back of my dads car.

The child hasn't formed an identity yet tho. Awakening comes after forming an identity. Cause the universe is farming them.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Human Mint]

Good for you for making the question. But no, it is not that. It is realizing that you're God creating Reality in this moment. That's really metacognition, not just being aware of thoughts. Being proficient at spotting thoughts is very good for achiving emotional mastery and not getting pulled by petty things. Awakening is an emotional peak, there is nothing like it. It is not casual, it is the most important moment that could exist.

Please do not dismiss my answer. Verify it for yourself, you are God.

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, Joshe said:

It seems spiritual experiences are state shifts marked by metacognitive realizations. But this is not usually groundbreaking or earth-shattering for those who are  naturally highly metacognitive. 

Someone who naturally operates with high metacognition hears stories of "awakening experiences" and thinks "wait, you mean you didn't already notice that you were having thoughts? You couldn't already observe your emotional reactions as they arose? You never thought to question the stories you were telling yourself about who you are?"

When someone has lived 30 years identified with their ego suddenly realizes, "If I can see the thought, I cannot be the thought." and thinks that is a breakthrough, a highly metacognitive person feels like they're getting excited about discovering their own thumbs. lol.

What if the spiritual seeker's "profound realization" is just the introverted intuitive kid's everyday life? How can we know?

What if metacognition IS the spiritual space and "spirituality" is simply a matter of exploring, reconfiguring, adding and/or subtracting in that space?

No.  Its not. Right now you specifically believe you are the self. 

Awakening is realizing that was an illusion.  It is mystical. 

[Joshe]

19 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No.  Its not. Right now you specifically believe you are the self. 

My default mode is observer operating within metacognitive space. 

When I dissolve the observer, I have direct experience of the metacognitive space itself. It's just one step away and it doesn't seem like anything magical or mystical because I'm already in that space, just with narration and content, which can be dropped if I want, but I don't see the point because it just makes it empty and neutral. 

[Joshe]

41 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Joshe No but meta cognition is required to awaken. Its kinda like the universe is farming identities. You start with nothing form an identity question the identity then realize nothing again. It is exactly like returning to a child point of view. When I had my awakening my vision was like a curtain blowing in the wind and I was like bro I remeber seeing this when I was a kid in the back of my dads car.

The child hasn't formed an identity yet tho. Awakening comes after forming an identity. Cause the universe is farming them.

Interesting perspective. 

[Joshe]

39 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

Good for you for making the question. But no, it is not that. It is realizing that you're God creating Reality in this moment. That's really metacognition, not just being aware of thoughts. Being proficient at spotting thoughts is very good for achiving emotional mastery and not getting pulled by petty things. Awakening is an emotional peak, there is nothing like it. It is not casual, it is the most important moment that could exist.

Please do not dismiss my answer. Verify it for yourself, you are God.

I should have been more explicit. I meant "metacognitive space", not simply thoughts about thoughts. I meant the space the realization those thoughts about thoughts occur in. 

I suppose the term might just be "awareness", but I feel that's a loaded term with too much baggage. Experientially, "metacognitive space" makes more sense to me. 

[Hojo]

@Joshe There was a video I posted about digital aliens farming identities for currency and I beleive its kinda like that. The aliens can manifest whatever they want and everything is free but they can't manifest identities unless they live the life and farm the identities like farming bitcoin, the bitcoin isn't a bitcoin unless you complete the algorithm, once the algorithm is farmed the bitcoin becomes like God, a whole and unique thing, when the bitcoin is farmed it gets realized that its not the content of the bitcoin but an identity of ' bitcoin'. When your identity sees God 'itself as the identity' it can be uploaded into the mainframe and other digital aliens can purchase the identity from you.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Michal__]

12 minutes ago, Joshe said:

My default mode is observer operating within metacognitive space. 

When I dissolve the observer, I have direct experience of the metacognitive space itself. It's just one step away and it doesn't seem like anything magical or mystical because I'm already in that space, just with narration and content, which can be dropped if I want, but I don't see the point because it just makes it empty and neutral. 

You would feel like you're tripping 24/7 if you truly saw thoughts as just thoughts.

[Hojo]

@Michal__ Thats how you are supposed to live normally. Society tells you different. I was watching a Mexican spiritual person and he directly said you she feel like you are on drugs 24/7. Like thats how a normal person should feel. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

50 minutes ago, Joshe said:

My default mode is observer operating within metacognitive space. 

When I dissolve the observer, I have direct experience of the metacognitive space itself. It's just one step away and it doesn't seem like anything magical or mystical because I'm already in that space, just with narration and content, which can be dropped if I want, but I don't see the point because it just makes it empty and neutral. 

Awakening is very much like the Matrix only that you will awaken to realize you were dreaming that you were this self, this form, and all other.  It is the mystical realization that you were dreaming all of reality.  

So..now that's what it is.  You can act like its already known but the fact of the matter remains you say your default state is objectivity or the Universe itself or Consciousness itself but did you actually realize it or is it just you conceptualizing about it.

Edited 7 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

57 minutes ago, Joshe said:

When I dissolve the observer, I have direct experience of the metacognitive space itself. It's just one step away and it doesn't seem like anything magical or mystical because I'm already in that space, just with narration and content, which can be dropped if I want, but I don't see the point because it just makes it empty and neutral. 

I am not trying to minimise any experience you have had. Red markup by me.

I just see this statement/description, and it leads me to believe you experienced something direct or unnammable.

Perhaps not awakening. Or no self. I will never know for sure - it is your experience.

There could be more to be realised in that space, it was not reductive for me. There was paradox. 

In addition - trying to 'see the point' might be limiting in these arenas.

Maybe, anyway.

[aurum]

They are related, but I would be mindful about collapsing the distinction between the two. That's likely to lead to sense-making errors if done poorly.

When we say "awakening", we usually mean something more profound than standard metacognition. Everyone has metacognition to a degree. Not everyone is awake.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by aurum

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, aurum said:

They are related, but I would be mindful about collapsing the distinction between the two.

When we say "awakening", we usually mean something more profound than standard metacognition. Everyone has metacognition to a degree. Not everyone is awake.

 

Exactly. 

[Human Mint]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

I should have been more explicit. I meant "metacognitive space", not simply thoughts about thoughts. I meant the space the realization those thoughts about thoughts occur in. 

I suppose the term might just be "awareness", but I feel that's a loaded term with too much baggage. Experientially, "metacognitive space" makes more sense to me. 

That's great, but still there is a different recognition about the nature of True Self, or Mind. You can be in that space which you are describing and recontextualize it in the way I just described. You must focus your attention to the fact that the whole experience is one living thing, and it is intelligent. You need to choose it because right now you are choosing being a human and living that limit, which is precisely why you describe what you describe. The room you're in, your body, the objects scattered there, the floor is one living thing and it is not just empty perception, but it is an intelligent being. You are it.

Your intellect and genius is a byproduct of it.