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[nerdspeak]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Looksmaxxing is the logical outcome for western incels from a generation that socializes mostly online. Everything has gone hyper x or y because you have to operate from extremes and be functioning at a crazy high percentile to sleep with pretty women in the USA. There is massive hoeflation so now every guy rightfully sees that you have to maximize everything to get results. Tate was about money and now you have streamers about looks. Obviously there is a sustainable balance but it likely means living by that means a trade off in other areas you’ve been priced out of. 

This is not really true lol. Granted I’m a bit older but sleeping with US and Belgian women is pretty easy if you’re willing to stay within your friend group or, if not, endure a lot of rejection and nonsense. Girls will still eye-fuck and orbit you and it’s just a matter of reading the signals. And there’s less inhibition about being a slut than when I was young. Even online is not that hard if you’re in a big city with a decent gender ratio. It’s not as easy as Ukraine, but I’ve found New York, France, and Belgium all pretty easy, and while I’m somewhat good-looking, I’m also short. 
 

This weird internet stuff is more a reflection of people’s anxieties and projections than anything tangibly real about social reality. 

But I do think many zoomer guys lack the social skills to filter for girls predisposed to like them, and many zoomer girls are super anxious and lack social skills as well, so it is a bit harder for people under 30z 

Edited 11 hours ago by nerdspeak

[SimpleGuy]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Naturals are better than PUAs. I know this first hand. I have professional PUA coach friends and one natural friend. The natural friend is way better.

One time I was talking about getting in state and he asked me, "What's state?" I explained it to him and he said, "Oh. I'm in state as soon as I get in my car." I said, You fucker!

You cannot beat a natural. That's because he is genetically wired for extreme extroversion. No introvert can be that good. These kind of extroverts are also usually quite good-looking. So they got all the cards stacked in their favor. It is a perfect storm of pussy magnetism.

Gaming with my natural friend is so fun. It's incredible. It's just like a party around him. And he knows nothing about pickup theory. It's all just intuitive. He could sell satanism to a nun.

But then he struggles in other areas of life. So it's all trade-offs. Extroverts got plenty of other problems.

As an extrovert I can speak for this. Extroverts are overall good in relationships with people, usually quite decent in wealth domain, but quite poor contemplating and spiritual work.

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, nerdspeak said:

This is not really true lol. Granted I’m a bit older but sleeping with US and Belgian women is pretty easy if you’re willing to stay within your friend group or, if not, endure a lot of rejection and nonsense. Girls will still eye-fuck and orbit you and it’s just a matter of reading the signals. And there’s less inhibition about being a slut than when I was young. Even online is not that hard if you’re in a big city with a decent gender ratio. It’s not as easy as Ukraine, but I’ve found New York, France, and Belgium all pretty easy, and while I’m somewhat good-looking, I’m also short. 
 

This weird internet stuff is more a reflection of people’s anxieties and projections than anything tangibly real about social reality. 

But I do think many zoomer guys lack the social skills to filter for girls predisposed to like them, and many zoomer girls are super anxious and lack social skills as well, so it is a bit harder for people under 30z 

Well clearly it’s not easy if like half of men are reporting not having sex in the last year. You just said it yourself that you consider yourself pretty decent. I’m talking broadly speaking accounting for every guy and every foundation. Most guys can’t pull and it is difficult for most guys. If you’re not established in a decent city then chances are you ain’t getting any action of course. You basically said “I’m pretty well off so it’s easy lol.” Nah dude most guys today are awful with women an a growing percentage don’t even go outside or talk to them. The guys getting no play of course or black pilling it or taking it to extremes like I said. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Lyubov

[nerdspeak]

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Well clearly it’s not easy if like half of men are reporting not having sex in the last year. You just said it yourself that you consider yourself pretty decent. I’m talking broadly speaking accounting for every guy and every foundation. Most guys can’t pull and it is difficult for most guys. If you’re not established in a decent city then chances are you ain’t getting any action of course. You basically said “I’m pretty well off so it’s easy lol.” Nah dude most guys today are awful with women an a growing percentage don’t even go outside or talk to them. 

I’m under 5’8”, so I can’t be more than a 6 or a 7. But this just means more filtering and approaches are needed. 

The shut-ins you refer to need to go touch grass and do more things with their life than doom-scroll through blackpill content. And maybe lower their standards a bit. If you’re an unemployed shut-in with below-average looks, maybe you should adjust your expectations about how hot a woman you can expect to land. The fact that such a guy can’t date a hot girl is not hoeflation, it’s just common sense. 

I agree the economic situation for people in their late teens and early 20s is pretty difficult atm. But the problem is not “hoeflation,” that’s a silly argument. Women are economically  screwed too, and you could say there’s more pressure on men to be economically successful, but that depends on the values of the people you put yourself around. 

Edited 10 hours ago by nerdspeak

[cle103]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Naturals are better than PUAs. I know this first hand. I have professional PUA coach friends and one natural friend. The natural friend is way better.

I once went to a concert with a friend, initially we got to the wrong venue cause they had moved it. This guy waved us down from 100 yards away "Hey you guys going to X, we just ordered an Uber". So we went with him and his friend. The whole drive he told crazy stories like how he just lost his drivers license for doing coke or how he partied with some celebrity. When we arrived at the venue he was talking to a couple of girls within 5 seconds, literally. Then the bouncers, then the cashier, ... When I met him at the bar later he was with another girl who was ehm very into him.

He operated at a completely different level than any PUA I know. 

He also was married with kids lol. 

Edited 3 hours ago by cle103

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, cle103 said:

I once went to a concert with a friend, initially we got to the wrong venue cause they had moved it. This guy waved us down from 100 yards away "Hey you guys going to X, we just ordered an Uber". So we went with him and his friend. The whole drive he told crazy stories like how he just lost his drivers license for doing coke or how he partied with some celebrity. When we arrived at the venue he was talking to a couple of girls within 5 seconds, literally. Then the bouncers, then the cashier, ... When I met him at the bar later he was with another girl who was ehm very into him.

He operated at a completely different level than any PUA I know. 

He also was married with kids lol. 

Yes, that is extreme extroversion.

But I could never live like that. I would rather be dead. To me, that is how total fools live. They talk without thinking.

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[cle103]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They talk without thinking.

Yup, fuck without thinking as well haha

[Miguel1]

2 hours ago, cle103 said:

I once went to a concert with a friend, initially we got to the wrong venue cause they had moved it. This guy waved us down from 100 yards away "Hey you guys going to X, we just ordered an Uber". So we went with him and his friend. The whole drive he told crazy stories like how he just lost his drivers license for doing coke or how he partied with some celebrity. When we arrived at the venue he was talking to a couple of girls within 5 seconds, literally. Then the bouncers, then the cashier, ... When I met him at the bar later he was with another girl who was ehm very into him.

He operated at a completely different level than any PUA I know. 

He also was married with kids lol. 

Lol, me at my peak social mood. Ask the few guys here who has gone out clubbing with me hah.

I am not often in this mood tho, especially when going out solo. Or since I kinda know everyone in my city, being too hyper is counter productive. I just often chill, and let them come to me.

I’m kinda a mini celebrity here.

[Terell Kirby]

Hmm . It’s not like extroverts aren’t capable of deep thought or existential thinking- they just spend less time engaged in those pursuits

Edited 13 minutes ago by Terell Kirby